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Reply #15 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:37am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:14am:

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:06am:

I think most companies of any size would be well aware of their OH&S responsibilities in this regard. Not sure about some of the small cowboy run outfits though.

Large companies are by far the worst.

The large companies I have had involvement with have all had OH&S reps and meetings etc, so there was an avenue to raise issues and I couldn't see them allowing people to work in extreme temperatures if there was a simple solution like fans etc. Not sure about how companies handle staff working outside in very hot weather though apart from ensuring they remain hydrated, providing hats etc, as jobs like builders are often all outdoors

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Reply #16 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:52am

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:14am:

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:06am:

I think most companies of any size would be well aware of their OH&S responsibilities in this regard. Not sure about some of the small cowboy run outfits though.

Large companies are by far the worst.

The large companies I have had involvement with have all had OH&S reps and meetings etc, so there was an avenue to raise issues and I couldn't see them allowing people to work in extreme temperatures if there was a simple solution like fans etc. Not sure about how companies handle staff working outside in very hot weather though apart from ensuring they remain hydrated, providing hats etc, as jobs like builders are often all outdoors

OHS isn't all it is cracked up to be, I would not recommend relying on that path for workplace protection and safety. It can be fairly good in some areas but seldom provides overall coverage.

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Reply #17 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:23am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:52am:

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:14am:

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:06am:

I think most companies of any size would be well aware of their OH&S responsibilities in this regard. Not sure about some of the small cowboy run outfits though.

Large companies are by far the worst.

The large companies I have had involvement with have all had OH&S reps and meetings etc, so there was an avenue to raise issues and I couldn't see them allowing people to work in extreme temperatures if there was a simple solution like fans etc. Not sure about how companies handle staff working outside in very hot weather though apart from ensuring they remain hydrated, providing hats etc, as jobs like builders are often all outdoors

OHS isn't all it is cracked up to be, I would not recommend relying on that path for workplace protection and safety. It can be fairly good in some areas but seldom provides overall coverage.

companies have to pay HUGE AMOUNTS for workers comp insurance..

with every accident that increases....its isnt all one sided....

looking at this case... it seems to me this chap should have asked his fellow workers IS THIS NORMAL to work under these conditions...

because if thats the case.... then surely you have to say this happens because of the workers......not because of the management......

I thought it was against the LAWS/RULES..for anyone to work when the tempo gets to a certain level...

for the simple reason of health......

its almost impossible to aircond a outside work place isnt it?..

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Reply #18 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:29am

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:06am:

I think most companies of any size would be well aware of their OH&S responsibilities in this regard. Not sure about some of the small cowboy run outfits though.

They're all aware of their responsibilities.

Acting on them, however, is a different thing.

The larger companies are often the worst.

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Reply #19 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:40am

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:

companies have to pay HUGE AMOUNTS for workers comp insurance..

with every accident that increases....its isnt all one sided....

looking at this case... it seems to me this chap should have asked his fellow workers IS THIS NORMAL to work under these conditions...

because if thats the case.... then surely you have to say this happens because of the workers......not because of the management......

I thought it was against the LAWS/RULES..for anyone to work when the tempo gets to a certain level...

It is ... but something being illegal isn't enough to stop some people.

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Reply #20 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:43am

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:

I thought it was against the LAWS/RULES..for anyone to work when the tempo gets to a certain level...

There's no specific number.

Employers, by law, have to provide a safe work place, free from hazards.

Extreme temperature is a hazard.

Laws are broken every day, though.

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Reply #21 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:44am

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:

companies have to pay HUGE AMOUNTS for workers comp insurance..

with every accident that increases....its isnt all one sided....

looking at this case... it seems to me this chap should have asked his fellow workers IS THIS NORMAL to work under these conditions...

because if thats the case.... then surely you have to say this happens because of the workers......not because of the management......

I thought it was against the LAWS/RULES..for anyone to work when the tempo gets to a certain level...

It is ... but something being illegal isn't enough to stop some people.

You mean like UNION BOSSES Angry

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Reply #22 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:54am

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:44am:

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:

companies have to pay HUGE AMOUNTS for workers comp insurance..

with every accident that increases....its isnt all one sided....

looking at this case... it seems to me this chap should have asked his fellow workers IS THIS NORMAL to work under these conditions...

because if thats the case.... then surely you have to say this happens because of the workers......not because of the management......

I thought it was against the LAWS/RULES..for anyone to work when the tempo gets to a certain level...

It is ... but something being illegal isn't enough to stop some people.

You mean like UNION BOSSES Angry

Like everyone.

People from all walks of life break the law.

Union bosses, Liberal Party members, housewives, factory workers, police officers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, pilots, gardeners, plumbers, priests, etc.

You seem to have a very limited understanding of how the world works.

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Reply #23 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:56am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:54am:

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:44am:

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:

companies have to pay HUGE AMOUNTS for workers comp insurance..

with every accident that increases....its isnt all one sided....

looking at this case... it seems to me this chap should have asked his fellow workers IS THIS NORMAL to work under these conditions...

because if thats the case.... then surely you have to say this happens because of the workers......not because of the management......

I thought it was against the LAWS/RULES..for anyone to work when the tempo gets to a certain level...

It is ... but something being illegal isn't enough to stop some people.

You mean like UNION BOSSES Angry

Like everyone.

People from all walks of life break the law.

Union bosses, Liberal Party members, housewives, factory workers, police officers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, pilots, gardeners, plumbers, priests, etc.

You seem to have a very limited understanding of how the world works.

Is that right! Cheesy

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Reply #24 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:57am

Good Old CFMEU...Looking after the workers

35° C, That’s Enough - CFMEU hot weather policy

CFMEU EBAs state that workers will stop work and leave site when the temperature reaches 35 degrees.

Download OHS alert

The temperature is measured at the nearest Bureau of Meteorology weather station to the work site. For info see bom.gov.au/vic/observations/melbourne.shtml

Take Action

OHS reps should not wait until the temperature reaches 35° to act. Clause 35.9.2 of the EBA calls on reps to consult with management when the temperature is expected to reach 35° .

The agreement also states: At temperatures below 35°C workers are to be relocated out of direct sunlight where the work environment creates a serious risk to their health and safety.

Matters for consideration include:

Radiant heat from particular surfaces like bondeck, roofing etc.
Sun glare
The type of work being performed.

Employers must provide

Sun screen
Cool clear drinking water
Air-conditioned site sheds
Hard hat brims
Sunglasses where required

Healthy Work Tips for Hot Weather

Drink 100-200ml of water at regular intervals, do not allow yourself to become thirsty
Avoid drinking coffee, tea, alcohol and caffeinated soft drinks
Wear light coloured, loose clothing made of natural fibres wherever possible
Take regular breaks in a cool place.
Monitor your physical condition and that of your co-workers.

Signs and symptoms of heat illness include feeling sick, nauseous, dizzy or weak. Clumsiness, collapse and convulsions can also be the result of heat illness. Employees with these signs or symptoms need to seek immediate medical attention.

(Information from Worksafe Victoria and WA)

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Reply #25 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:58am

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:54am:

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:44am:

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:

companies have to pay HUGE AMOUNTS for workers comp insurance..

with every accident that increases....its isnt all one sided....

looking at this case... it seems to me this chap should have asked his fellow workers IS THIS NORMAL to work under these conditions...

because if thats the case.... then surely you have to say this happens because of the workers......not because of the management......

I thought it was against the LAWS/RULES..for anyone to work when the tempo gets to a certain level...

It is ... but something being illegal isn't enough to stop some people.

You mean like UNION BOSSES Angry

Like everyone.

People from all walks of life break the law.

Union bosses, Liberal Party members, housewives, factory workers, police officers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, pilots, gardeners, plumbers, priests, etc.

You seem to have a very limited understanding of how the world works.

Is that right! Cheesy

Yes. Yes it is.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150630 Gender:	Re: Sacked -Told We Signed Up To Work In A Sweat Shop Reply #26 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:59am Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:57am: Good Old CFMEU...Looking after the workers Indeed. Imagine how bad things would be without the unions protecting workers.
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Reply #27 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:01am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:58am:

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:54am:

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:44am:

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:

companies have to pay HUGE AMOUNTS for workers comp insurance..

with every accident that increases....its isnt all one sided....

looking at this case... it seems to me this chap should have asked his fellow workers IS THIS NORMAL to work under these conditions...

because if thats the case.... then surely you have to say this happens because of the workers......not because of the management......

I thought it was against the LAWS/RULES..for anyone to work when the tempo gets to a certain level...

It is ... but something being illegal isn't enough to stop some people.

You mean like UNION BOSSES Angry

Like everyone.

People from all walks of life break the law.

Union bosses, Liberal Party members, housewives, factory workers, police officers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, pilots, gardeners, plumbers, priests, etc.

You seem to have a very limited understanding of how the world works.

Is that right! Cheesy

Yes. Yes it is.

OMG what should I do? Sad

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Reply #28 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:13am

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:58am:

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:54am:

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:44am:

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:23am:

companies have to pay HUGE AMOUNTS for workers comp insurance..

with every accident that increases....its isnt all one sided....

looking at this case... it seems to me this chap should have asked his fellow workers IS THIS NORMAL to work under these conditions...

because if thats the case.... then surely you have to say this happens because of the workers......not because of the management......

I thought it was against the LAWS/RULES..for anyone to work when the tempo gets to a certain level...

It is ... but something being illegal isn't enough to stop some people.

You mean like UNION BOSSES Angry

Like everyone.

People from all walks of life break the law.

Union bosses, Liberal Party members, housewives, factory workers, police officers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, pilots, gardeners, plumbers, priests, etc.

You seem to have a very limited understanding of how the world works.

Is that right! Cheesy

Yes. Yes it is.

OMG what should I do? Sad

Your two main problems are ignorance and misinformation.

Therefore, I'd suggest that you: a) go back to school and finish year 10, and; b) stop watching TV shows like ACA, 60 Minutes, and The Bolt Report.

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