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Reply #30 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:58pm

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 8:59pm:

Dave has worked for the union for over 25 years. Prior to becoming National Secretary in 2006, he was an organiser and industrial advocate with the CFMEU Victorian Branch, and its antecedent the Building Workers’ Industrial Union (BWIU). Prior to becoming a union official, Dave was a construction worker

he started as a construction worker and then spent the next 25 yrs looking after union members and their safety in the construction industry ... not sure how much experience you want someone to have in a particular field before you call them 'qualified', but for me, 25+ yrs makes him abundantly qualified.

Nope. There are specific requirements for OH&S. 25 years service just doesn't cut it.

he's a tradesman, OH&S forms a part of every trade course. Then you don't think the union would have provided training for their staff? Sorry, but 25 yrs does cut it. And unless you have proof that he has no qualifications, then you cannot say he hasn't met any specific requirements.

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Reply #31 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:03pm

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:57pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:54pm:

Who singularly fails to even suggest that a piece of mooted legislation is suspect, and merely suggests that the government rely on the utter inability of the common person to challenge any such legislation.

Perhaps that's part of the reason we have left leaning judges in the higher courts? Appointed by both parties.

Which part of significant legislation that revokes or overturns a fundamental Right have these opposed recently?

ONLY in extreme cases such as the Dr Haneef episode - which came about because the forces of Federal law, at the behest of the government, sought to extend the interpretation of what constitutes an act of terrorism - do the high courts ever overturn legislation and send it back for review.

Countless Right-destroying pieces of legislation have passed without comment.... and nobody affected has the wherewithal to challenge the basis of that legislation, especially when anyone disposed to challenge it has already been adversely affected by it, and is thus considered to be beneath consideration, and to be merely an appellant against an already-established end, thus accruing to self limited rights of appeal.

That is the game of power - not the game of Law.

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Re: Commissioner Not Qualified To Speak On Safety
Reply #32 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:06pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:58pm:

he's a tradesman, OH&S forms a part of every trade course. Then you don't think the union would have provided training for their staff? Sorry, but 25 yrs does cut it. And unless you have proof that he has no qualifications, then you cannot say he hasn't met any specific requirements.

I did say according to his CV. If he has a qualification and it isn't in his CV, it is hardly my fault.

Every person who goes on site does an induction. That includes some OH&S. It is about personal safety and is NOT a qualification.

Limited OH&S will form part of every tradesman course- it does not necessarily lead to a qualification.

Has the union provided training for staff? Probably some. Does it amount to a qualification or merely how to recognise a dangerous hazard or work practice?

That would probably be dependant on the position. Office staff - probably not. OH&S officer definitely should be a requisite.

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Reply #33 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:07pm

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:58pm:

he's a tradesman, OH&S forms a part of every trade course. Then you don't think the union would have provided training for their staff? Sorry, but 25 yrs does cut it. And unless you have proof that he has no qualifications, then you cannot say he hasn't met any specific requirements.

I did say according to his CV. If he has a qualification and it isn't in his CV, it is hardly my fault.

Every person who goes on site does an induction. That includes some OH&S. It is about personal safety and is NOT a qualification.

Limited OH&S will form part of every tradesman course- it does not necessarily lead to a qualification.

Has the union provided training for staff? Probably some. Does it amount to a qualification or merely how to recognise a dangerous hazard or work practice?

That would probably be dependant on the position. Office staff - probably not. OH&S officer definitely should be a requisite.

you haven't seen his CV .... or if you have you certainly haven't put it up. That extract I dug up (with was all I could find) was not his CV.

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Reply #35 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:37pm:

And a 6 month tafe course does or even the glorified 4 year uni version of the six month tafe course does ? I assure you on the job experience counts for everything , I work in the industry and you my friend have no furkn idea what you're talking about. Do you think a fresh out tafe uni student much less that furkwit heydon is going to know what I am talking about when I say come and check the outriggers on the franna?

Correct - on the job training is important. Now who has the job? Dave with a few years experience but NO qualifications, or the newly minted OH&S bloke with no experience? Think about it.

Of course the best solution is Dave with a few years experience AND an OH&S qualification.

And you really have no idea of my life experiences.

I know you have no idea how the construction/mining industry works , i know this for a fact.

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Reply #37 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:49pm

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:07pm:

you haven't seen his CV .... or if you have you certainly haven't put it up. That extract I dug up (with was all I could find) was not his CV.

Does his bio from the union show he has OH&S qualifications? Thought not.

So you made it up when you said his CV shows no qualifications?

His bio is a publicity stunt and not his CV.

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Reply #38 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:52pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:49pm:

So you made it up when you said his CV shows no qualifications?

His bio is a publicity stunt and not his CV.

I was paraphrasing. Surely you understand paraphrasing? You know backbenchers formulate policy.

Why does he need a publicity stunt for a bio. Something to hide?

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Reply #39 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:23pm

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:43pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:

I know you have no idea how the construction/mining industry works , i know this for a fact.

Except you know nothing of the sort. you think you know.

Oh i know, You would've pulled me up on the little trap i set for you if you knew anything about the industry, Frannas don't have outriggers Wink

. You're about as qualified to speak on an industry you have no idea about as Heydon is.

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Re: Commissioner Not Qualified To Speak On Safety
Reply #40 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 12:27am

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:49pm:

So you made it up when you said his CV shows no qualifications?

His bio is a publicity stunt and not his CV.

I was paraphrasing. Surely you understand paraphrasing? You know backbenchers formulate policy.

Why does he need a publicity stunt for a bio. Something to hide?

so making things up is now 'paraphrasing'? Ok then Roll Eyes

as for something to hide? no, I doubt it .... he probably felt he didn't need to give every wanker out there his complete CV. After all, he's not applying for a job

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Reply #41 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 1:59am

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:49pm:

So you made it up when you said his CV shows no qualifications?

His bio is a publicity stunt and not his CV.

I was paraphrasing. Surely you understand paraphrasing? You know backbenchers formulate policy.

Why does he need a publicity stunt for a bio. Something to hide?

Really? I thought we had determined that back benchers only get a minor input to policy, are employed on the basis of their willingness to toe the Party line, and were instructed as to what policy would be by a group called 'caucus'. Of course, 'caucus' can be an agglomeration of either 'left' or 'right' interests.... but remains the same....... nothing more than a self-appointed group of self-interested individuals or organisations that seek to dominate political discourse in this country (and others) for their own personal advancement, or for the advancement of their cause, or for their own personal advancement dressed up as a 'cause'. Such a caucus can influence policy as long as it has Power to do so.

On that basis, of course, it remains open for any self-interested individual or organisation to influence and even dictate policy for self-interest - which essentially reduces the entire discussion to one of Power as opposed to Democracy Of The People, By The People and For The People .......

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Reply #42 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:04pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:38am:

smell the fear in the unions! their dirty dealings are becoming public and they do not like it.

the commissioner would know more about safety than any of these clowns.

the commissioners area of expertise is in the law, not OH&S. What he knows about OH&S is about the same as what you know on it.

AND HAS RULED ON OHS MATTERS. this requires him to understand it in excruciating detail

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Reply #43 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:05pm

Bam wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:46pm:

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One recommendation includes changes to right-of-entry laws, which allow union officials to enter worksites during suspected safety breaches. Mr Noonan said such changes would be bad for workers.

I wonder how employers would feel if they had OH&S inspectors doing safety audits of their workplaces whenever there's a suspected breach of safety rules? They also have right of entry, and are generally much tougher on safety breaches than union inspectors.

and you dont think right-of-entry has been abused?

imbecile.

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Reply #44 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:09pm

Its time wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:23pm:

Oh i know, You would've pulled me up on the little trap i set for you if you knew anything about the industry, Frannas don't have outriggers Wink. You're about as qualified to speak on an industry you have no idea about as Heydon is.

You really think I pay close attention to what you say?

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