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greggerypeccary

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Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax
Reply #15 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:02pm:

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Who was it that said we would be better of $550 a year, if the carbon tax went. It wasnt Bob Hawke. So now the carbon tax is gone. Where is the $550 better off gone?. Sad

all I kn ow is my direst debt for my electricity went down a HUGE amount... Roll Eyes

No it didn't.

There's no need to lie.

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Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax
Reply #16 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm:

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:02pm:

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Who was it that said we would be better of $550 a year, if the carbon tax went. It wasnt Bob Hawke. So now the carbon tax is gone. Where is the $550 better off gone?. Sad

all I kn ow is my direst debt for my electricity went down a HUGE amount... Roll Eyes

No it didn't.

There's no need to lie.

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Reply #17 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:12am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:40am:

ask the ACCC. they will tell you that you already have it.

no they won't ... why do you keep bringing up that old lie?

it has been shown to you multiple times, liar.

As it has been shown to you that the ACCC had nowhere else to go on the topic, that had to either say it had worked or admit that they had failed to do their job.

The ACCC were responsible for ensuring that the prices were reduced. If they said they hadn't they have shot themselves in the foot. Nobody else agreed with them / nobody who didn't have a vested interest agrees that the $550 is a genuine result or even close.

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Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax
Reply #18 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:12am

This underscores the view that the Hawke government were a very progressive, reforming government and considered policies well before others did.

It was already known that the Hawke government considered some form of carbon price, and that they recognised that some control over CO₂ emissions would be needed eventually. This is why CRA Mining (a predecessor of Rio Tinto) created anti-carbon price propaganda in 1989.

Another interesting policy was consideration of mandatory detention for refugees. This wasn't the controversial offshore detention we have now, but detention on Australian soil.

The full list of cabinet papers is here.

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Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax
Reply #19 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:40am:

ask the ACCC. they will tell you that you already have it.

no they won't ... why do you keep bringing up that old lie?

it has been shown to you multiple times, liar.

As it has been shown to you that the ACCC had nowhere else to go on the topic, that had to either say it had worked or admit that they had failed to do their job.

The ACCC were responsible for ensuring that the prices were reduced. If they said they hadn't they have shot themselves in the foot. Nobody else agreed with them / nobody who didn't have a vested interest agrees that the $550 is a genuine result or even close.

that's the kind of drivel that makes you look like a more-on. why is it impossible to simply say that a generally saving of $550 was promised and generally acheived. are you that averse to truth that simply cannot accept it?

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Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax
Reply #20 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:10pm

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:12am:

This underscores the view that the Hawke government were a very progressive, reforming government and considered policies well before others did.

It was already known that the Hawke government considered some form of carbon price, and that they recognised that some control over CO₂ emissions would be needed eventually. This is why CRA Mining (a predecessor of Rio Tinto) created anti-carbon price propaganda in 1989.

Another interesting policy was consideration of mandatory detention for refugees. This wasn't the controversial offshore detention we have now, but detention on Australian soil.

The full list of cabinet papers is here.

Considered and failed on both. Or just pragmatic?

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