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Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision
Reply #30 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:20pm

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 2:18pm:

and yet only what amounts to a handfull of findings against very few individuals.

Not quite.

'Proposing an overhaul of key parts of the industrial relations system, including the creation of a standalone agency to police unions and employer groups, Mr Heydon also recommended civil and criminal charges against 45 people and companies.'

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30463996/unions-louts-thugs-and-thieves-r...

So not just individual unionists but companies also. Some "witch-hunt".

In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry ~ given the time, resources and money wasted. If the cops had been handed that budget, I'm very sure they would have produced a better outcome.

You must keep in mind that all we have at this stage are adverse findings (opinion if you like) made by an administrative tribunal. They are not convictions, not even charges. Now, those 45 might be investigated by relevant authorities which may not bother pursuing anybody for all sorts of reasons including priorities and most likely, lack of sufficient evidence to get convictions.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19965 Gender:	Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision Reply #31 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:00pm Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:20pm: In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry Do you have qualified accounts to confirm the "small fry" status?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39695 Gender:	Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision Reply #32 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:08pm lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:00pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:20pm: In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry Do you have qualified accounts to confirm the "small fry" status? Huh?
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Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision
Reply #33 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:29pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:08pm:

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:20pm:

In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry

Do you have qualified accounts to confirm the "small fry" status?

Huh?

You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact.

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Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision
Reply #34 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:42pm

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:08pm:

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:20pm:

In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry

Do you have qualified accounts to confirm the "small fry" status?

Huh?

You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact.

Have a look at the list. All small fry.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19965 Gender:	Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision Reply #35 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:59pm Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:42pm: Have a look at the list. All small fry. Do they have a dollar amount?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39695 Gender:	Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision Reply #36 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:34pm lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:42pm: Have a look at the list. All small fry. Do they have a dollar amount? In the context of this discussion...yeas. Squillions spent to catch small fry....and the Feds/Cops could have done it much cheaper.
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Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision
Reply #37 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:50pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:34pm:

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:42pm:

Have a look at the list. All small fry.

Do they have a dollar amount?

In the context of this discussion...yeas.

So these corrupt unionists and companies took "yeas". I'm not familiar with that particular currency or is it a multiple, like millions?

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Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision
Reply #38 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:54pm

lee wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 6:27pm:

'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg” when it came to systemic mis-behaviour and corruption.'

'Two former secretaries of the WA branch of the Transport Workers Union, Rick Burton and Jim McGiveron, were recommendations for action under the Fair Work Act for their role in obtaining two Ford F350s valued at $150,000 each and a redundancy payment of $477,000 given to Mr McGiveron.'

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30463996/unions-louts-thugs-and-thieves-r...

Perhaps not as clear-cut as claimed. But hey, just take a unions word for it; to have uncovered all corruption.

It doesn't seem to work that way for most people though.

Lol, like no one has ever heard of worse Roll Eyes

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Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision
Reply #39 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:55pm

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:34pm:

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:42pm:

Have a look at the list. All small fry.

Do they have a dollar amount?

In the context of this discussion...yeas.

So these corrupt unionists and companies took "yeas". I'm not familiar with that particular currency or is it a multiple, like millions?

So, you are being deliberately obtuse. Okay, make yourself irrelevant. No skin off my nose.

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Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision
Reply #40 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 8:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:05pm:

what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions.

then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense

... and the public's expense.....

How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'? Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles?

There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld......

LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion.

says a bloke who voted for copper internet Cheesy

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Reply #41 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:41pm

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“The banks are still refusing to cooperate with the authorities after defrauding thousands of customers. Major Australian and foreign companies continue to evade tax with little government reprimand. If Malcolm Turnbull is serious about strengthening trade unions as he said today then he should give working communities more rights in their workplace. He should also support the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal which is defending owner drivers and transport companies against wealthy retailers which are driving down safety and conditions through their low cost contracts,” he added. Sad

Banks are regulated by several government authorities

What government authorities are regulating union corruption?

So why are we allowing the union to compare Banks and Union corruptions?

Because Labor/Union believe the voters are m#r0ns

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision
Reply #42 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 1:52am

Maqqa wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:41pm:

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“The banks are still refusing to cooperate with the authorities after defrauding thousands of customers. Major Australian and foreign companies continue to evade tax with little government reprimand. If Malcolm Turnbull is serious about strengthening trade unions as he said today then he should give working communities more rights in their workplace. He should also support the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal which is defending owner drivers and transport companies against wealthy retailers which are driving down safety and conditions through their low cost contracts,” he added. Sad

Banks are regulated by several government authorities

What government authorities are regulating union corruption?

So why are we allowing the union to compare Banks and Union corruptions?

Because Labor/Union believe the voters are m#r0ns

But... but... but.. 'socialist' Fuhrer Keating de-regulated the banks to free up capital and open up investment....

the banks... (wait for it)... 'self-regulate'....... Grin

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Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision
Reply #43 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 1:53am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 8:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:05pm:

what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions.

then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense

... and the public's expense.....

How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'? Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles?

There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld......

LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion.

says a bloke who voted for copper internet Cheesy

Longy retreating! Time for the cavalry, I think! Place your sword in his back, give him no rest and no chance to regroup.... and drive him all the way back to Berlin!

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision Reply #44 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:20am lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:29pm: You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact. they haven't 'caught' anyone yet ... they merely recommended further investigation ... of that 45 you'll be lucky if they catch one.
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