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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision Reply #15 - Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:47pm Kat wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:40pm: ALL unions and ALL unionists should be demanding quite a bit more than just an apology. ...they could start by demanding more competition in the Labour market
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 89886 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision Reply #16 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:45am Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:47pm: Kat wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:40pm: ALL unions and ALL unionists should be demanding quite a bit more than just an apology. ...they could start by demanding more competition in the Labour market What labour market?
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Reply #17 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:15am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg”

They operated for 2 years and only made enquiries and investigated for under 10% of that time.

Wonder why they didn't look into the iceberg instead of organising to attend Liberal party fund raisers ? ?

Perhaps Turnbull should extend the time that the RC is allowed to operate in order to weed out ALL corruption at the TWU? I have a feeling, however, if that were to happen, the RC would be in operation for decades given the systemic level of corruption within the militant TWU and ALL unions.

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Reply #18 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:22am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:45am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:47pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:40pm:

ALL unions and ALL unionists should be demanding quite a bit more than just an apology.

...they could start by demanding more competition in the Labour market Cheesy

What labour market?

......exactly

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Reply #19 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:42am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg”

They operated for 2 years and only made enquiries and investigated for under 10% of that time.

Wonder why they didn't look into the iceberg instead of organising to attend Liberal party fund raisers ? ?

Perhaps Turnbull should extend the time that the RC is allowed to operate in order to weed out ALL corruption at the TWU? I have a feeling, however, if that were to happen, the RC would be in operation for decades given the systemic level of corruption within the militant TWU and ALL unions.

I think the RC should be extended to become a semi-permanent enquiry until such time as they stop finding endemic corruption, bribery and thuggery.

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Reply #20 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:49am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg”

They operated for 2 years and only made enquiries and investigated for under 10% of that time.

Wonder why they didn't look into the iceberg instead of organising to attend Liberal party fund raisers ? ?

Perhaps Turnbull should extend the time that the RC is allowed to operate in order to weed out ALL corruption at the TWU? I have a feeling, however, if that were to happen, the RC would be in operation for decades given the systemic level of corruption within the militant TWU and ALL unions.

I think the RC should be extended to become a semi-permanent enquiry until such time as they stop finding endemic corruption, bribery and thuggery.

Extended and encompass white collar crime , agreed.

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Reply #21 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:05pm

Its time wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:49am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg”

They operated for 2 years and only made enquiries and investigated for under 10% of that time.

Wonder why they didn't look into the iceberg instead of organising to attend Liberal party fund raisers ? ?

Perhaps Turnbull should extend the time that the RC is allowed to operate in order to weed out ALL corruption at the TWU? I have a feeling, however, if that were to happen, the RC would be in operation for decades given the systemic level of corruption within the militant TWU and ALL unions.

I think the RC should be extended to become a semi-permanent enquiry until such time as they stop finding endemic corruption, bribery and thuggery.

Extended and encompass white collar crime , agreed.

I dont have a problem with that. what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision Reply #22 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:05pm: what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions. then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense
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Reply #23 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:20pm

Its time wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 8:03pm:

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....maybe a precedent could be set?

When the union goes on strike and costs business and members of the public both cash and inconvenience the union should be made pay up...

Evidently not up to speed , we can't strike outside of negotiations.

Not at the moment, anyway.

It would be useful to give casual staff an unrestricted right to strike so as to put downward pressure on casualisation. If employers can withdraw shifts for casuals without reprisal, it's only fair that casuals can also withdraw their labour without reprisal.

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Reply #24 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:35pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:05pm:

what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions.

then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense

... and the public's expense.....

How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'? Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles?

There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld......

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Reply #25 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:53pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:05pm:

what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions.

then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense

... and the public's expense.....

How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'? Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles?

There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld......

LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion.

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Reply #26 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 2:18pm

Ya know, on any objective assessment, two years, zquillions of dollars, a huge trawl, a very broad brush, and yet only what amounts to a handfull of findings against very few individuals...not much of a pay off or dividend for tax payers.....but then again, all Abbott wanted was the political scalps of Gillard and Shorten whom the Commission exonerated of any wrong doing.

Despite all the hyped up language of Heydon, and despite two years and all that money................he admits he got almost nothing, brushing that aside with the meaningless wafty slur of 'tip of the ice berg.' Was that because there was no ice berg, huh? The whole show was all tip and no berg?? Or were you just incompetent Heydon, and could not locate what should be easily found under a tip? Really?

I reckon there will be few people actually charged, and even fewer, convicted.

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Reply #27 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 2:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:05pm:

what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions.

then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense

... and the public's expense.....

How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'? Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles?

There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld......

LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion.

There you go again.. not one shred of proof or support in any way - yet your rave on and on, seeking to find a weak spot by hammering away at an absolutely armour-plated position held by me (or anyone else). You really are one sick puppy, and your constant repetition of the same nonsense makes not one iota of difference to the truth.

It is YOU who are delusional... but keep trying. Roll Eyes

When will you produce any support for your unsubstantiated views?

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Reply #28 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:06pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 2:18pm:

and yet only what amounts to a handfull of findings against very few individuals.

Not quite.

'Proposing an overhaul of key parts of the industrial relations system, including the creation of a standalone agency to police unions and employer groups, Mr Heydon also recommended civil and criminal charges against 45 people and companies.'

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30463996/unions-louts-thugs-and-thieves-r...

So not just individual unionists but companies also. Some "witch-hunt".

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Reply #29 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:05pm:

what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions.

then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense

... and the public's expense.....

How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'? Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles?

There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld......

LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion.

hilarious, especially coming from someone who doesn't know if they are Arthur or Martha .... or in your case gold medal or maria Cheesy

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