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Re: Should we ignore Geneva Convention
Reply #45 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 3:23pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

So we spend trillions and waste Western lives to take the moral high ground

Yes, though it isn't a waste of our lives because we're fighting for the right cause.. For our principles.

Is it not an alleged abuse of 'liberty' to ask a Government to impose itself on the freedoms/liberty of others?

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Reply #46 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Is it not an alleged abuse of 'liberty' to ask a Government to impose itself on the freedoms/liberty of others?

Yes, it is an abuse of liberty for the government to infringe on the rights of people. It is not an abuse of liberty to ask the government to do it. That is free speech.

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Lafayette Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 316 Gender:	Re: Should we ignore Geneva Convention Reply #47 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 4:52pm the good ole boys wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 3:22pm: It's not smart fighting your enemy with one hand tied around your balls. Depends on whether your hand is protecting your balls or hurting them?
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Reply #48 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:05pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Is it not an alleged abuse of 'liberty' to ask a Government to impose itself on the freedoms/liberty of others?

Yes, it is an abuse of liberty for the government to infringe on the rights of people. It is not an abuse of liberty to ask the government to do it. That is free speech.

Hang on! Isn't it a solution that people of the earth stop asking Government officials to initiate force on their behalf?

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Reply #49 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:08pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:05pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Is it not an alleged abuse of 'liberty' to ask a Government to impose itself on the freedoms/liberty of others?

Yes, it is an abuse of liberty for the government to infringe on the rights of people. It is not an abuse of liberty to ask the government to do it. That is free speech.

Hang on! Isn't it a solution that people of the earth stop asking Government officials to initiate force on their behalf?

It IS a solution, but you can't force them not to? That would infringe on their right to free speech.

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Reply #50 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:10pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:05pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Is it not an alleged abuse of 'liberty' to ask a Government to impose itself on the freedoms/liberty of others?

Yes, it is an abuse of liberty for the government to infringe on the rights of people. It is not an abuse of liberty to ask the government to do it. That is free speech.

Hang on! Isn't it a solution that people of the earth stop asking Government officials to initiate force on their behalf?

It IS a solution, but you can't force them not to? That would infringe on their right to free speech.

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

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Lafayette Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 316 Gender:	Re: Should we ignore Geneva Convention Reply #51 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:14pm Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:10pm: How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye? Which people are my government imposing on in Arabia?
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Reply #52 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:16pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

Which people are my government imposing on in Arabia?

Arabs. They have these rights you speak of as well, don't they? Let's not get distracted now. This is my question you need to answer:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

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Reply #53 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:22pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

Arabs. They have these rights you speak of as well, don't they? Let's not get distracted now. This is my question you need to answer:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

Which Arabs are my government imposing on in the Middle East?

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Reply #54 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:25pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

Arabs. They have these rights you speak of as well, don't they? Let's not get distracted now. This is my question you need to answer:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

Which Arabs are my government imposing on in the Middle East?

I see you are getting hesitant and wish to obfuscate. Pick your Arab. Any old tinted brown Muslim Arab being bombed by your Governments/your jets will do. It matters not to my question which is:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

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Reply #55 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:27pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

I see you are getting hesitant and wish to obfuscate. Pick your Arab. Any old tinted brown Muslim Arab being bombed by your Governments/your jets will do. It matters not to my question which is:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

I see that you're not being specific and thus denying me the ability to actually answer your question. Tell me specifically, which Arab country or group my government is bombing that is imposing on their rights?

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Reply #56 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:28pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

I see you are getting hesitant and wish to obfuscate. Pick your Arab. Any old tinted brown Muslim Arab being bombed by your Governments/your jets will do. It matters not to my question which is:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

I see that you're not being specific and thus denying me the ability to actually answer your question. Tell me specifically, which Arab country or group my government is bombing that is imposing on their rights?

I will not allow you off this hook. Just answer:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

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Reply #57 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:34pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

I will not allow you off this hook. Just answer:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

When you get more specific about who you are actually talking about in Arabia by naming either the country or the group that we are using force against, I will give you an answer.

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Re: Should we ignore Geneva Convention
Reply #58 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:37pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

I will not allow you off this hook. Just answer:

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

When you get more specific about who you are actually talking about in Arabia by naming either the country or the group that we are using force against, I will give you an answer.

It does not matter who, specifically. That is entirely irrelevant to my question, one which you ought have no problem or hesitation answering very responsively.

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

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Re: Should we ignore Geneva Convention
Reply #59 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:41pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

It does not matter who, specifically. That is entirely irrelevant to my question, one which you ought have no problem or hesitation answering very responsively.

How about using Government force to impose on other people like the US is doing in Arabia on your behalf? What say ye?

It all depends on the reasons why my government is using force on my behalf in the first place. The role of government is to protect my rights from domestic and foreign threats. If a state or group poses a threat to my rights, then my government is obligated to act to protect those rights, using violence if necessary.

My government is, however, obligated to do its utmost to avoid causing civilian or non combatant casualties when it does so.

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Question: Should we ignore Geneva convention?
Yes 2 (15.4%) No 11 (84.6%) Total votes: 13 « Created by: Maqqa on: Dec 27^th, 2015 at 2:08pm »