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Reply #45 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 6:23pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

It is implemented by Muslims and works for them. A lot of Muslim murderers, from Kenya to Syria and India, from Thailand to Labia, do use religious profiling for the purposes of carrying out their Islamic religious duty of jihad. If Muslims can religiously profile others I do not see why others couldn't religiously profile Muslims.

In most Muslims countries religion is identified on various documents already so they are doing it already among themselves. We should accept their own self-profiling. If they say they are Muslims we should accept that and treat them accordingly.

Oh, so let's become like Saudi Arabia and Syria. Yeah, great values.

Let US become like them????

You are a Muslims, so reign in your jihadis and then you can talk about US. Until then, you are the sea they swim in.

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Reply #46 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Syrian born British woman denied entry to Australia. The spooks of Western Countries are competing with each other to see which one can cause the biggest furor. She was 4 years old when her family left Syria.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/24/british-syrian-born-woman-...

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A British woman who was born in Syria has been refused entry into Australia, after her visa was issued and then revoked without explanation.

Zahra Ramadani, 30, from west London, was due to fly to Sydney on Thursday with a friend but was contacted by the Australian High Commission on Wednesday to say her visa had been revoked and that she was no longer eligible for entry into Australia.

The incident comes in the wake of several controversial visa refusals. The Australian government was criticised this week after it initially refused to grant visas to the family of a dying Pakistani student, who is too sick to fly home and is being cared for in a homeless shelter.

In the UK a British imam was the second British Muslim to report he had been refused entry to the US after his business visa was revoked without explanation as he attempted to board a plane to New York.

Ramadani, a project manager in business development for Marks and Spencer, told the Guardian she felt the only explanation for the rejection of her visa to Australia is her place of birth.

Her family originally fled to Syria from Iraq in 1980 before seeking refuge in the UK in 1989 when she was four years old. She said: “I’m really disappointed because I’m a British citizen and I have lived here most of my life. I’m law-abiding and I lead a pretty normal Londoner’s life. I am not remotely religious.”

“I didn’t even know I needed a visa. I thought, well, I’m British, there’s the commonwealth, you don’t need one.”

Pity they don't deal with you as well.

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

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Reply #47 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 11:15pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:15am:

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

And that's why I said RELIGIOUS profiling, not racial profiling, Mr Expert-my-arse.
Mohammed, peace be on him, what??

And how are you going to profile people based on religion exactly? Have a test for them when they arrive, say by forcing them to eat swine? Or are you just looking for turbans and headscarves.

Religious profiling is a stupid idea. It won't work and can't be implemented.

Lol. Counter terrorism expert. Of all things you could have claimed to be.

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Reply #48 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 11:44pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 2:15am:

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

And that's why I said RELIGIOUS profiling, not racial profiling, Mr Expert-my-arse.
Mohammed, peace be on him, what??

it'll work perfectly well

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: USA prevents UK Muslim family from flight boarding Reply #49 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 11:48pm Its already used, comprehensively, along with racial profiling.
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Reply #50 - Dec 29^th, 2015 at 12:36am

Gnads wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

So you're going to appease & acquiesce to them on that basis?

two men & 9 children .... one who is 19 (hardly classed as a child)?

Where are their mothers?

Sounds like good enough grounds for a check by the US & a check by UK authorities as well.

You do realize that I am not opposed to actually denying them entry into the US, right? I stated as such and said that the US Government's decision to deny entry is probably based on something tangible. Not just religion.

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Reply #51 - Dec 29^th, 2015 at 12:47am

ian wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 11:15pm:

Lol. Counter terrorism expert. Of all things you could have claimed to be.

Yes, and I use Behavior Pattern Recognition to identify subjects for further scrutiny. To just base it on religion, or what you perceive to be their religion will mean that you will completely miss those that could be threats but due to the nature of a person's religion not always being apparent in their physical appearance (unless they want it to be). It'll also mean that you waste time and resources on people that don't pose a threat, when you should be looking for those who do.

The Israelis made the same mistake you did and it resulted in the Lod Airport Massacre in 1972 which killed 26 and injured 79 because the terrorists were actually Japanese and in no way appeared Muslim.

Religious profiling is a waste of time because a trained terrorist is going to hide their being a Muslim and if they're a convert to Islam from, say, Germany, being blonde hair and blue eyes and a German name you will not know it at all and it's not like their documents will show it.

Behavior Pattern Recognition works on recognizing the actions and behaviors of a person, which, together fit a profile of someone that deserves further scrutiny. It could be the way they look at security, their posture, gestures and body language they use, their clothing etc.

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