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Reply #15 - Dec 24th, 2015 at 7:36am
 
AiA wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 1:22am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 12:35am:
The US do not have a right to reject VISA applications and controlling who they want to come in?



Every country does have the right to control the flow of visitors.

Air travel is getting more difficult for all of us.





Oh,      ....really ?

Why is that ?


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Reply #16 - Dec 24th, 2015 at 7:53am
 
Maybe the US (Obummer) have finally realised that if they want to stop terrorist attacks on their soil, they need to ensure that all entrants are squeaky-clean and have no connections whatsoever with Jihadists, and quite rightly so.

These people obviously do not comply with US criteria.

Finally Obummer is taking notice of his security advisors.

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Reply #17 - Dec 24th, 2015 at 8:02am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 6:40am:
Maybe the US immigration people ha e decided not to wait for the election and implement The Donald's policy now.
Wouldn't that be good.

PS what are the closet burqa wearers doing up this early?

It's never going to happen. This isn't Australia. Americans aren't like that.
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Reply #18 - Dec 24th, 2015 at 8:37am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 7:53am:
Maybe the US (Obummer) have finally realised that if they want to stop terrorist attacks on their soil, they need to ensure that all entrants are squeaky-clean and have no connections whatsoever with Jihadists, and quite rightly so.

These people obviously do not comply with US criteria.

Finally Obummer is taking notice of his security advisors.



Frankly, we have no idea why they were stopped. They may have suspected a breach in Visa conditions, could be anything.
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Reply #19 - Dec 24th, 2015 at 3:54pm
 
Kytro wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 8:37am:
Fuzzball wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 7:53am:
Maybe the US (Obummer) have finally realised that if they want to stop terrorist attacks on their soil, they need to ensure that all entrants are squeaky-clean and have no connections whatsoever with Jihadists, and quite rightly so.

These people obviously do not comply with US criteria.

Finally Obummer is taking notice of his security advisors.



Frankly, we have no idea why they were stopped. They may have suspected a breach in Visa conditions, could be anything.

They were stopped because they were suspicious.


Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 1:35pm:
Trump or no Trump - it's been happening on the quiet for some time now.

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Not only but also:

Muslims with European passports are scrutinised by the US, Canada, Australia.
"Two days after the attacks in Paris, authorities at Melbourne airport refused entry to a French Arab man who tried to enter the country after flying from Abu Dhabi carrying extremist material and chemical mace."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/terror-checks-for-europeans-trav...

Religious profiling is a must.

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Reply #20 - Dec 24th, 2015 at 5:44pm
 
Soren wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 3:54pm:
Not only but also:

Muslims with European passports are scrutinised by the US, Canada, Australia.
"Two days after the attacks in Paris, authorities at Melbourne airport refused entry to a French Arab man who tried to enter the country after flying from Abu Dhabi carrying extremist material and chemical mace."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/terror-checks-for-europeans-trav...

Religious profiling is a must.


That is, until the laziness of religious profiling results in a blond hair, blue eyed Scandinavian convert to Islam and a terrorist arrives in Australia and is able to get through our security and then launches an attack... All the while you were looking for what you believed to be a Muslim..
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Reply #21 - Dec 24th, 2015 at 8:55pm
 
Lafayette wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 5:44pm:
Soren wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 3:54pm:
Not only but also:

Muslims with European passports are scrutinised by the US, Canada, Australia.
"Two days after the attacks in Paris, authorities at Melbourne airport refused entry to a French Arab man who tried to enter the country after flying from Abu Dhabi carrying extremist material and chemical mace."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/terror-checks-for-europeans-trav...

Religious profiling is a must.


That is, until the laziness of religious profiling results in a blond hair, blue eyed Scandinavian convert to Islam and a terrorist arrives in Australia and is able to get through our security and then launches an attack... All the while you were looking for what you believed to be a Muslim..

And that's why I said RELIGIOUS profiling, not racial profiling, Mr Expert-my-arse.
Mohammed, peace be on him, what??




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Reply #22 - Dec 24th, 2015 at 9:06pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 12:21am:

They've gone stark raving mad.



No 'they' haven't.

It has been reported, that some members of this moslem family, have stated on social media, that they support ISIS.



Clearly the members of this family are ALL latent, wanna-be homicidal maniacs.

i.e.
They are all, self-declared moslems.

How does the US gov know that these moslems won't try to commit an ISLAMIC atrocity, while they are in the US, 'on holiday' ?



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?





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Reply #23 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 2:15am
 
Soren wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 8:55pm:
And that's why I said RELIGIOUS profiling, not racial profiling, Mr Expert-my-arse.
Mohammed, peace be on him, what??

And how are you going to profile people based on religion exactly? Have a test for them when they arrive, say by forcing them to eat swine? Or are you just looking for turbans and headscarves.

Religious profiling is a stupid idea. It won't work and can't be implemented.
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Reply #24 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 2:48am
 
Just to add some realism.

This "UK Family" was 2 men and 9 children.

One of these children was 19 years old and they had already been placed on a watch list by the state of Israel.

Really sounds like a nice blonde haired, 2 children, mum and dad family doesn't it?
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Reply #25 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 10:29am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 25th, 2015 at 2:48am:
Just to add some realism.

This "UK Family" was 2 men and 9 children.

One of these children was 19 years old and they had already been placed on a watch list by the state of Israel.

Really sounds like a nice blonde haired, 2 children, mum and dad family doesn't it?


That doesn't justify USA first approving their travel and then stopping them at the airport.

If there was any justification for prohibiting their entry they should not have been granted permission in the first instance.

There is no evidence of any of them being on any watch list.

It seems this USA practice of last minute interception at boarding is not infrequent.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/23/the-british-muslim-familys-...

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Obama, too, spoke up, using a speech after the California attacks to say, “If we’re to succeed in defeating terrorism we must enlist Muslim communities as some of our strongest allies, rather than push them away through suspicion and hate.”

But canceling Muslim Brits’ travel plans at the very last minute risks having exactly that effect.

Take the case of Amjal Masroor, a British imam who has spoken forcefully against the Islamic State (Isis) and about the need to stop young western Muslims from the illusion that they are accomplishing anything by going to fight with the group. “Isis and groups like that don’t represent Islam, they don’t represent humanity, and they’re part of the biggest problem that we face in the 21st century world,” Masroor told Sky News in an interview last year.

Around the same time that the Mahmood family was denied entry to America, so was Masroor, following almost exactly the same pattern, having been granted permission to travel that was then revoked just before boarding.


“[The] USA has the right to issue and revoke visa – I fully understand that,” Masroor wrote on Facebook after the incident. “However not forwarding any reasons infuriates ordinary people. It does not win the hearts and minds of people, it turns them off. I am amazed how irrational these processes are but does USA care about what you and I think?”

If so-called ordinary Muslims – a tasteless phrase meaning the bulk of the world’s 1.6 billion adherents who never think of taking up violence in the name of their faith – can’t be treated like everyone else by American authorities in every manner of interaction, the answer is a resounding no.
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Reply #26 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 10:37am
 
Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 25th, 2015 at 10:29am:
That doesn't justify USA first approving their travel and then stopping them at the airport.

If there was any justification for prohibiting their entry they should not have been granted permission in the first instance.

There is no evidence of any of them being on any watch list.

It seems this USA practice of last minute interception at boarding is not infrequent.

There could be more to it than is what is apparent.
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Reply #27 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 10:40am
 

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............................. any justification for prohibiting their entry..........


The US allows who it wants into the US
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Reply #28 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 10:54am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 12:21am:
They've gone stark raving mad.



you can only blame the terrorists for this...

no one else

why havent you called terrorist stark raving mad????...

I do not blame one country for looking after its own citizens....it sad its come to this.. but dont blame the wrong people..
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Reply #29 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 10:59am
 
and as Howard is still getting blamed for Monis...

those who point nasty fingers need to take a reality check.. he was allowed to remain when we didnt have anywhere near what we have today... Angry Angry

I would think the yanks have enough to do watching their home grown muslims..
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