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Reply #60 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:11pm

red baron wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:

That is stretching a long bow mariacostel, how do you know for one second that his victims 'lead long and successful live' unquote.

I have met many victims in my career as a Cop and many of them have had their lives shattered to the point; that their lives have been tragic and too easily linked back to the horrific event/s that changed the course of their lives forever.

Have you been raped maria? Have you been belted within an inch of you life? Have you been robbed at gunpoint? Then...you have no right whatsoever to make any judgement calls on how 'it works out for victims'.

Obviously you wouldn't know a sparrow's fart about the whole deal. Give you a tip, when you know f... all about something, like this important subject for instance, wrap a band aid across your mouth. Lips Sealed

I'd hardly say that some of these victims are leading 'long and productive lives' - Chrissakes, we treat our Veterans better than that, don't we, and acknowledge their very real problems? Many victims live a walking nightmare - that is one clear reason why I argue the legalities a lot - so as to ensure that in guarding victims we are not merely creating more victims, but that is not the same thing as ignoring the plight of real victims.

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Reply #61 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:37pm

red baron wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:

That is stretching a long bow mariacostel, how do you know for one second that his victims 'lead long and successful live' unquote.

I have met many victims in my career as a Cop and many of them have had their lives shattered to the point; that their lives have been tragic and too easily linked back to the horrific event/s that changed the course of their lives forever.

Have you been raped maria? Have you been belted within an inch of you life? Have you been robbed at gunpoint? Then...you have no right whatsoever to make any judgement calls on how 'it works out for victims'.

Obviously you wouldn't know a sparrow's fart about the whole deal. Give you a tip, when you know f... all about something, like this important subject for instance, wrap a band aid across your mouth. Lips Sealed

The people involved have married, had kids and careers. Now, I am not defending Hughes for a minute but I object strongly to the claim that any abused child is universally destroyed for life, because it simply isn't true. That does not mitigate guilt, but we are doing no one any good by sentencing VICTIMS to a life of victimhood when it isn't necessary.

Red Baron, you know NOTHING about me or my past. I have had to drag myself up past things you would fail at. Don't for a second think I have no idea, rather I have EVERY idea about overcoming childhood events and emotional scars. The difference is that I decided to WIN and had parents with a similar attitude to assist. The fact is, whether you like it or not, MANY victims of serious crime go on to successful lives and careers, despite what happened.

Every time you talk about your time as a cop you come across as a rather poor one. You seem to be afflicted with an awful understanding of the Law, an even worse understanding of the psychology of pain and abuse and worst of all, NO IDEA of how to rise above these things. In my long period of time I have shared MY experience with others to help them overcome and seen it happen.

In short, you have NO IDEA about this topic whatsoever.

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Reply #62 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:37pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:

That is stretching a long bow mariacostel, how do you know for one second that his victims 'lead long and successful live' unquote.

I have met many victims in my career as a Cop and many of them have had their lives shattered to the point; that their lives have been tragic and too easily linked back to the horrific event/s that changed the course of their lives forever.

Have you been raped maria? Have you been belted within an inch of you life? Have you been robbed at gunpoint? Then...you have no right whatsoever to make any judgement calls on how 'it works out for victims'.

Obviously you wouldn't know a sparrow's fart about the whole deal. Give you a tip, when you know f... all about something, like this important subject for instance, wrap a band aid across your mouth. Lips Sealed

The people involved have married, had kids and careers. Now, I am not defending Hughes for a minute but I object strongly to the claim that any abused child is universally destroyed for life, because it simply isn't true. That does not mitigate guilt, but we are doing no one any good by sentencing VICTIMS to a life of victimhood when it isn't necessary.

Red Baron, you know NOTHING about me or my past. I have had to drag myself up past things you would fail at. Don't for a second think I have no idea, rather I have EVERY idea about overcoming childhood events and emotional scars. The difference is that I decided to WIN and had parents with a similar attitude to assist. The fact is, whether you like it or not, MANY victims of serious crime go on to successful lives and careers, despite what happened.

Every time you talk about your time as a cop you come across as a rather poor one. You seem to be afflicted with an awful understanding of the Law, an even worse understanding of the psychology of pain and abuse and worst of all, NO IDEA of how to rise above these things. In my long period of time I have shared MY experience with others to help them overcome and seen it happen.

In short, you have NO IDEA about this topic whatsoever.

Wow......and all that on top of, and in addition to Year 9 Maths! You're a legend, 'Maria.'

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Reply #63 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:54pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:37pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:

That is stretching a long bow mariacostel, how do you know for one second that his victims 'lead long and successful live' unquote.

I have met many victims in my career as a Cop and many of them have had their lives shattered to the point; that their lives have been tragic and too easily linked back to the horrific event/s that changed the course of their lives forever.

Have you been raped maria? Have you been belted within an inch of you life? Have you been robbed at gunpoint? Then...you have no right whatsoever to make any judgement calls on how 'it works out for victims'.

Obviously you wouldn't know a sparrow's fart about the whole deal. Give you a tip, when you know f... all about something, like this important subject for instance, wrap a band aid across your mouth. Lips Sealed

The people involved have married, had kids and careers. Now, I am not defending Hughes for a minute but I object strongly to the claim that any abused child is universally destroyed for life, because it simply isn't true. That does not mitigate guilt, but we are doing no one any good by sentencing VICTIMS to a life of victimhood when it isn't necessary.

Red Baron, you know NOTHING about me or my past. I have had to drag myself up past things you would fail at. Don't for a second think I have no idea, rather I have EVERY idea about overcoming childhood events and emotional scars. The difference is that I decided to WIN and had parents with a similar attitude to assist. The fact is, whether you like it or not, MANY victims of serious crime go on to successful lives and careers, despite what happened.

Every time you talk about your time as a cop you come across as a rather poor one. You seem to be afflicted with an awful understanding of the Law, an even worse understanding of the psychology of pain and abuse and worst of all, NO IDEA of how to rise above these things. In my long period of time I have shared MY experience with others to help them overcome and seen it happen.

In short, you have NO IDEA about this topic whatsoever.

Wow......and all that on top of, and in addition to Year 9 Maths! You're a legend, 'Maria.'

And you are the example of the lonely, life-long failure - all delivered by your own actions. Success is more dependent on attitude than aptitude, both in business and in general life. Most people on here have 'failure' written into their DNA.

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Reply #64 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:57pm

"'Maria,' you know NOTHING about me or my past. I have had to drag myself up past things you would fail at. Don't for a second think I have no idea, rather I have EVERY idea about overcoming childhood events and emotional scars. The difference is that I decided to WIN and had parents with a similar attitude to assist. The fact is, whether you like it or not, MANY victims of serious crime go on to successful lives and careers, despite what happened.

Every time you talk about your time you come across as a rather poor individual. You seem to be afflicted with an awful understanding of just about everything, an even worse understanding of the psychology of pain and abuse and worst of all, NO IDEA of how to rise above these things. In my long period of time I have shared MY experience with others to help them overcome and seen it happen.

In short, you have NO IDEA about this topic whatsoever."

Horseshit, innit.

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Reply #65 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:03pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:57pm:

"'Maria,' you know NOTHING about me or my past. I have had to drag myself up past things you would fail at. Don't for a second think I have no idea, rather I have EVERY idea about overcoming childhood events and emotional scars. The difference is that I decided to WIN and had parents with a similar attitude to assist. The fact is, whether you like it or not, MANY victims of serious crime go on to successful lives and careers, despite what happened.

Every time you talk about your time you come across as a rather poor individual. You seem to be afflicted with an awful understanding of just about everything, an even worse understanding of the psychology of pain and abuse and worst of all, NO IDEA of how to rise above these things. In my long period of time I have shared MY experience with others to help them overcome and seen it happen.

In short, you have NO IDEA about this topic whatsoever."

Horseshit, innit.

Lovely person, aren't you? Quite the compassionate, considerate individual. How you ended up driving taxis is no surprise to anyone.

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Reply #66 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:06pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:57pm:

"'Maria,' you know NOTHING about me or my past. I have had to drag myself up past things you would fail at. Don't for a second think I have no idea, rather I have EVERY idea about overcoming childhood events and emotional scars. The difference is that I decided to WIN and had parents with a similar attitude to assist. The fact is, whether you like it or not, MANY victims of serious crime go on to successful lives and careers, despite what happened.

Every time you talk about your time you come across as a rather poor individual. You seem to be afflicted with an awful understanding of just about everything, an even worse understanding of the psychology of pain and abuse and worst of all, NO IDEA of how to rise above these things. In my long period of time I have shared MY experience with others to help them overcome and seen it happen.

In short, you have NO IDEA about this topic whatsoever."

Horseshit, innit.

Lovely person, aren't you? Quite the compassionate, considerate individual. How you ended up driving taxis is no surprise to anyone.

You really are no good at this are you Maria, especially when all I do is hand your own bullshit straight back at ye.

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Reply #67 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:09pm

So mariacostel..you're an Urban Soldier, Maria are you?.. But not Urban enough to know that you shouldn't pass judgement on victims and that is the offence LOUD AND CLEAR that you are guilty.

I don't disbelieve you when you say you have risen above your own troubles. I personally know a lot of victims who have done exactly that.

What you don't get....is that just because you have risen become successful, it doesn't ,make the trauma you have been through any less.

And that...is the point you just don't get!!!!!!!

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Reply #68 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:25pm

red baron wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:09pm:

So mariacostel..you're an Urban Soldier, Maria are you?.. But not Urban enough to know that you shouldn't pass judgement on victims and that is the offence LOUD AND CLEAR that you are guilty.

I don't disbelieve you when you say you have risen above your own troubles. I personally know a lot of victims who have done exactly that.

What you don't get....is that just because you have risen become successful, it doesn't ,make the trauma you have been through any less.

And that...is the point you just don't get!!!!!!!

No, the trouble is that ALL you think about is the trauma! As for 'passing judgment', maybe you should join stunspore and JS in the reading comprehension class. If anyone is passing judgment it is you in condemning them to victimhood. WINNING means leaving things behind and FORGIVING the perpetrators.

One of the great stories is that of dutchwoman Corrie ten Boom, Auschwitz survivor whose family was gassed while she was rescued. Many years later, she was speaking at a conference (on forgiveness) and a man came up to her and told her that he had been a guard at Auschwitz when she was there. She forgave him and hugged him - a man whose actions had been part of a murderous regime that had claimed her entire family and almost herself. That was true forgiveness in action. And this old woman who had been through hell and survived lived to her 90s.

This is what I am talking about. She was NEVER a victim and she helped tens of thousands of others to cast aside victimhood.

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Reply #69 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:33pm

Bravo! bravo! maria costel...what a stunning response. I am genuinely impressed by that story, it encompasses everything I believe in. You should be able to forgive everyone everything.

Unfortunately maria not everyone has the strength and resolution of your heroine whom I truly admire.

Many, many, many victims struggle. Would you caste those souls into the gutter because they cannot overcome their their trauma.

Wake up to yourself you are writing like an academic idiot.

You won't find all your solutions written in a textbook.

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Reply #71 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 5:14pm

red baron wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 2:38pm:

That is stretching a long bow mariacostel, how do you know for one second that his victims 'lead long and successful live' unquote.

I have met many victims in my career as a Cop and many of them have had their lives shattered to the point; that their lives have been tragic and too easily linked back to the horrific event/s that changed the course of their lives forever.

Have you been raped maria? Have you been belted within an inch of you life? Have you been robbed at gunpoint? Then...you have no right whatsoever to make any judgement calls on how 'it works out for victims'.

Obviously you wouldn't know a sparrow's fart about the whole deal. Give you a tip, when you know f... all about something, like this important subject for instance, wrap a band aid across your mouth. Lips Sealed

thats why the Royal into sexual child abuse has been going for months and months....

where the hair raising stories have given way to .... oh not that again.... Angry

you know its almost boring isnt it?.. its so routine now to see Australian celebs in court over child abuse...

some people can even claim.. it has no lasting effects..

REALLY??...

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Reply #72 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 5:14pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:57pm:

"'Maria,' you know NOTHING about me or my past. I have had to drag myself up past things you would fail at. Don't for a second think I have no idea, rather I have EVERY idea about overcoming childhood events and emotional scars. The difference is that I decided to WIN and had parents with a similar attitude to assist. The fact is, whether you like it or not, MANY victims of serious crime go on to successful lives and careers, despite what happened.

Every time you talk about your time you come across as a rather poor individual. You seem to be afflicted with an awful understanding of just about everything, an even worse understanding of the psychology of pain and abuse and worst of all, NO IDEA of how to rise above these things. In my long period of time I have shared MY experience with others to help them overcome and seen it happen.

In short, you have NO IDEA about this topic whatsoever."

Horseshit, innit.

Point is - there are many of us who can rightly claim a dismal upbringing.... however .. it all depends on the choices you make with your life.

I have a lot of time for Red... and I have no doubt he was an honest copper....

If your tale is true, maria - I sympathise with you and I certainly understand how these things work.

I think we would all be better served in fighting the enemy than ourselves..

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: At last - Robert Hughes goes down and out! Reply #73 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 5:18pm Hey Sun Tzu...NEWS FLASH!!! I don't give a flying f....k about Robert Hughes misery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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