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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #390 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:44pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:21pm:

Me, and every link I can find. Your point, at best, is that I called a pop gun an assault rifle, yeas? The former does not get to be used to slaughter kids at Sandy Hook and the latter does. Is that it?

http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/images/5801.jpg
Is this also an Assault Rifle?

Not in my mind. It has a very limited magazine capacity and if I have ID it correctly was the US carbine used in WW2. Still, well and truly capable of slaughtering the Land of Liberty kids at Sandy Hook. Your point is?

You can buy 30 round magazines for them Arsie just like Ar15, they even sell 100 round drum magazines for the mini 14, is that the very limited magazine capacity you are talking about through your ass like a typical hoplophobe?

The USA military has never used the mini 14 for anything.

The mini 14 uses the exact same ammo as the AR15 -M4.

How is an assault rifle more deadly than a mini 14?

With Sandy Hook did Lanza kill his mother and steal her guns before going on a rampage, how many crimes had he done before he left the house with his mother's gun?

Ruger did a copy of the M1 Carbine in .223..... also a copy of the M-14 in .223..... these were once the arms used by prison guards in NSW...

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #391 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:52pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 9:37pm:

Are you admitting you were wrong to claim that it had no impact?

It has no impact on people that are resourceful and intent enough on obtaining firearms.

The only people whose intent is to get their hands on guns are gun nuts. Everyone else sees them as a means to an end and will be influenced by how difficult it is to obtain them and how risky it is to hold onto them.

One more time. Do guns laws have an impact on gun usage by criminals?

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freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 9:37pm:

Would you be saying this if it wasn't written into the US constitution? Is this a universal right, or is it only inalienable for Americans?

I was saying that when I was living in Australia too, long before I came here. It is absolutely a universal right. Not only for Americans. That is what rights are. Inalienable, equal and universal.

Did this right exist before guns existed?

Did it exist before the American constitution?

Why is it that only some Americans see it as a human right?

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #392 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:53pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:21pm:

Me, and every link I can find. Your point, at best, is that I called a pop gun an assault rifle, yeas? The former does not get to be used to slaughter kids at Sandy Hook and the latter does. Is that it?

http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/images/5801.jpg
Is this also an Assault Rifle?

Not in my mind. It has a very limited magazine capacity and if I have ID it correctly was the US carbine used in WW2. Still, well and truly capable of slaughtering the Land of Liberty kids at Sandy Hook. Your point is?

You can buy 30 round magazines for them Arsie just like Ar15, they even sell 100 round drum magazines for the mini 14, is that the very limited magazine capacity you are talking about through your ass like a typical hoplophobe?

The USA military has never used the mini 14 for anything.

The mini 14 uses the exact same ammo as the AR15 -M4.

How is an assault rifle more deadly than a mini 14?

With Sandy Hook did Lanza kill his mother and steal her guns before going on a rampage, how many crimes had he done before he left the house with his mother's gun?

Ruger did a copy of the M1 Carbine in .223..... also a copy of the M-14 in .223..... these were once the arms used by prison guards in NSW...

I don't think the USA military have ever used Ruger products like Arsie claimed.

Lots of gun makers have copied guns, how many people have copied Eugene Stoners design?

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20346 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #394 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:59pm freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:52pm: One more time. Do guns laws have an impact on gun usage by criminals? No, drive by shootings were unheard of before our 1996 gun laws now they are fairly common despite our laws. google.com.au/?gws+rd=ssl#q=drive+by+shooting+sydney
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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #395 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:04pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

One more time. Do guns laws have an impact on gun usage by criminals?

No, drive by shootings were unheard of before our 1996 gun laws now they are fairly common despite our laws.

google.com.au/?gws+rd=ssl#q=drive+by+shooting+sydney

Drugs wars involving guns between bikies were also probably unheard of pre 1996. Further, are you really trying to make some equation between that and people, kids in schools, being massacred as they are almost routinely in the Land of Liberty?

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #396 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:09pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

One more time. Do guns laws have an impact on gun usage by criminals?

No, drive by shootings were unheard of before our 1996 gun laws now they are fairly common despite our laws.

google.com.au/?gws+rd=ssl#q=drive+by+shooting+sydney

Drugs wars involving guns between bikies were also probably unheard of pre 1996. Further, are you really trying to make some equation between that and people, kids in schools, being massacred as they are almost routinely in the Land of Liberty?

What about the Milperra massacre between the Bandidos and Comancheros when did that happen arsie.

What is routinely it sounds like hyperbole, got a cite

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39696 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #397 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:11pm Yeas, I do. Link. Watch it all....but at the 3.40 minute mark backs up my comment.
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the good ole boys Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 658 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #398 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:14pm Aussies definition of liberty is dobbing a poster in to the mods when he doesn't like an opinion.
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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #399 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:17pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Yeas, I do.

Link.

Nothing in there about kids being routinely massacred in schools, there were only one or 2 schools mentioned.

It also claims no laws were enacted after Sandy Hook which is bullshit, do a check on Connecticut gun laws to debunk that bullshit.

Schools are gun free zones, all the Israeli teachers are armed they don't have school shootings anymore

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39696 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #400 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:18pm the good ole boys wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:14pm: Aussies definition of liberty is dobbing a poster in to the mods when he doesn't like an opinion. Nope, never.
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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #401 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:19pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:17pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Yeas, I do.

Link.

Nothing in there about kids being routinely massacred in schools, there were only one or 2 schools mentioned.

It also claims no laws were enacted after Sandy Hook which is bullshit, do a check on Connecticut gun laws to debunk that bullshit.

Schools are gun free zones, all the Israeli teachers are armed they don't have school shootings anymore

Thank goodness there were only 'one or two.'

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the good ole boys Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 658 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #402 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:19pm Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:18pm: the good ole boys wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:14pm: Aussies definition of liberty is dobbing a poster in to the mods when he doesn't like an opinion. Nope, never. Why do I always see you name on the whinge page?
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17229 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #403 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:22pm the good ole boys wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:14pm: Aussies definition of liberty is dobbing a poster in to the mods when he doesn't like an opinion. What's lost boys? Ah, freedom! I found my marbles now I can play with them both! Oooh, feels good! How about we stop the bitching and get on with discussion?
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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #404 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:22pm

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:18pm:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:14pm:

Aussies definition of liberty is dobbing a poster in to the mods when he doesn't like an opinion.

Nope, never.

Why do I always see you name on the whinge page?

Aussie is a bit of a dobber, was being a dobber ever really associated with Aussie culture or frowned upon.

taxi drivers like to think they are important.

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