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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #360 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:48pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

Oh, well, thank goodness for that. I guess I just imagined that all those kids at Sandy Hook were slaughtered by some yanker using something other than an assault rifle. Gee, that was lucky a escape for you and your bullshit.

He used a semi automatic rifle. Not an assault rifle. Big difference.

I feel much better about that slaughter now.

s do all the dead kids and their parents

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #361 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:50pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

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They will have no influence if a criminal is resourceful and intent enough to purchase one illegally.

This is going to be difficult for you, but you should stop and think about what this means. Why do junkies rob stores? If they have the money to buy a gun, what do you think they would do with that money?

Are you acknowledging that gun laws do work in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals? You appear to be attempting to exclude a large part of your reality in order to cling to your original delusions. If you are trying to admit you were wrong, you should just say so.

Obviously they'll use it to get a fix. They don't have to buy a gun here either to rob a store. They can use a knife and get a fix through robbing with a knife.

Gun laws keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens that don't want to break the law. If a criminal is intent and resourceful enough in Australia, they can buy a brand new Glock 23 brought into the country illegally and use it to commit crimes. There are few crimes that they would need to use it in because they could use more primitive means as law abiding citizens are disarmed and unable to defend themselves against such means.

Are you trying to say that our gun laws are effective in reducing the number of junkies using guns to hold up stores? Sorry for being pedantic about this, but you keep giving the impression you understand this point, then spewing the same idiotic NRA propaganda about them having no impact.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #362 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

and STARTED thousands of others you dickhead.

So because some people misuse firearms, all people should be denied them? Based on that logic no one should be able to drink alcohol because people misuse it. Based on your logic no one should be able to own a kitchen knife because people misuse them. Based on your logic no one should be able to own a car because people misuse them.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #363 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:54pm

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Are you trying to say that our gun laws are effective in reducing the number of junkies using guns to hold up stores? Sorry for being pedantic about this, but you keep giving the impression you understand this point, then spewing the same idiotic NRA propaganda about them having no impact.

I don't know, what were the statistics of junkies using firearms to commit armed robberies on stores before they were banned? How many junkies currently use legally purchased firearms to commit armed robberies now? I'd imagine the numbers were and still are very low given the unsophisticated nature of junkies and the crimes they commit.

All I know however is if a junkie tried to hold me up with even a knife, I'd be relieved to know that I'm armed with my Glock 19 because I'll use it to defend myself.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #364 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

A teacher who was too afraid to go out and confront him. Another problem with your argument...

Armed citizens have stopped other mass shootings. So just because one professor didn't have the stones to step in, it doesn't mean everyone should be denied the means to do so.

Hang on!!! Didn't you just pose that Schools were gun free zones?

Yes. Not all mass shootings are at schools. Armed citizens have been known to respond to a school shooting as a passer by and enter the place where it is occurring, even if it is a school.

Some armed citizens don't give a damn about a law that makes them sitting ducks and carry firearms at schools anyway in case a deranged person with a firearm starts shooting students.

I have never heard of that happening and nor have you. I am calling BS on that and defy you to prove it.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #365 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:03pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

Oh, well, thank goodness for that. I guess I just imagined that all those kids at Sandy Hook were slaughtered by some yanker using something other than an assault rifle. Gee, that was lucky a escape for you and your bullshit.

He used a semi automatic rifle. Not an assault rifle. Big difference.

You are actually saying that a "semi auto rifle" is not an assault rifle, but a fully automatic rifle is? Because you can buy a kit online or at any gun show (and there are lots) to convert a semi to fully auto in a very short space of time. Just because they don't sell them as fully automatic doesn't mean they can't be converted.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #366 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

I have never heard of that happening and nor have you. I am calling BS on that and defy you to prove it.

liar

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/20/uber-driver-with-gun-apparently-stops-would-be-mass-shooter-have-civilians-stopped-such-mass-shootings-before/

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #367 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:13pm

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

You are actually saying that a "semi auto rifle" is not an assault rifle, but a fully automatic rifle is? Because you can buy a kit online or at any gun show (and there are lots) to convert a semi to fully auto in a very short space of time. Just because they don't sell them as fully automatic doesn't mean they can't be converted.

An Assault Rifle is indeed a select fire rifle. A semi-automatic rifle is not.

Please do show us how without some serious gunsmithing, one of those rifles can be converted into a fully automatic rifle just by dropping in a part.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #368 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:17pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

I have never heard of that happening and nor have you. I am calling BS on that and defy you to prove it.

liar

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/20/uber-driver-with-gun-apparently-stops-would-be-mass-shooter-have-civilians-stopped-such-mass-shootings-before/

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Link.

Note the word 'apparently,' and also that there seems to be exactly zero other examples of what this Aussie/Yank claims. More bullshit. One possible example, when you'd expect, given his protestations, zillions.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #369 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:19pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

You are actually saying that a "semi auto rifle" is not an assault rifle, but a fully automatic rifle is? Because you can buy a kit online or at any gun show (and there are lots) to convert a semi to fully auto in a very short space of time. Just because they don't sell them as fully automatic doesn't mean they can't be converted.

An Assault Rifle is indeed a select fire rifle. A semi-automatic rifle is not.

Please do show us how without some serious gunsmithing, one of those rifles can be converted into a fully automatic rifle just by dropping in a part.

Why? What does it matter other than semantically? Are those kids at Sandy Cape less dead?

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #370 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:20pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

I have never heard of that happening and nor have you. I am calling BS on that and defy you to prove it.

liar

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/20/uber-driver-with-gun-apparently-stops-would-be-mass-shooter-have-civilians-stopped-such-mass-shootings-before/

To make that link live..

Link.

Note the word 'apparently,' and also that there seems to be exactly zero other examples of what this Aussie/Yank claims. More bullshit. One possible example, when you'd expect, given his protestations, zillions.

"A group of people had been walking in front of the driver around 11:50 p.m. in the 2900 block of North Milwaukee Avenue when Everardo Custodio, 22, began firing into the crowd, Quinn said.

The driver pulled out a handgun and fired six shots at Custodio, hitting him several times, according to court records. Responding officers found Custodio lying on the ground, bleeding, Quinn said. No other injuries were reported."

It isn't apparently. the man was shooting at the people and the uber drive shot him several times, bringing his shooting spree to an end.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #372 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:22pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

You are actually saying that a "semi auto rifle" is not an assault rifle, but a fully automatic rifle is? Because you can buy a kit online or at any gun show (and there are lots) to convert a semi to fully auto in a very short space of time. Just because they don't sell them as fully automatic doesn't mean they can't be converted.

An Assault Rifle is indeed a select fire rifle. A semi-automatic rifle is not.

Please do show us how without some serious gunsmithing, one of those rifles can be converted into a fully automatic rifle just by dropping in a part.

I guess you never went to school. I said you can buy a kit which will repurpose a semi auto to a fully auto. You even get the instructions for the particular rifle you purchase the kit for. You know it, and I have been to gun shows in the US and seen the kits. Can I name the manufacturer no......I wasn't really that interested......but I was indeed quite surprised.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #373 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:25pm

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

I guess you never went to school. I said you can buy a kit which will repurpose a semi auto to a fully auto. You even get the instructions for the particular rifle you purchase the kit for. You know it, and I have been to gun shows in the US and seen the kits. Can I name the manufacturer no......I wasn't really that interested......but I was indeed quite surprised.

When was this exactly? I'm curious.

So what you're saying is that without significant alterations to the firearm receiver, you can just buy a kit off the shelf or online and drop it into the gun and it'll turn your firearm into a fully automatic assault rifle?

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #374 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:26pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:19pm:

Why? What does it matter other than semantically? Are those kids at Sandy Cape less dead?

Not any less dead at all. But your claims need to be true and in this case, the shooter didn't use an assault rifle.

That's really good news. You win. Guns for everyone.

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