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Reply #345 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:31pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:21pm:

Me, and every link I can find. Your point, at best, is that I called a pop gun an assault rifle, yeas? The former does not get to be used to slaughter kids at Sandy Hook and the latter does. Is that it?

http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/images/5801.jpg
Is this also an Assault Rifle?

Not in my mind. It has a very limited magazine capacity and if I have ID it correctly was the US carbine used in WW2. Still, well and truly capable of slaughtering the Land of Liberty kids at Sandy Hook. Your point is?

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Reply #346 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

A teacher who was too afraid to go out and confront him. Another problem with your argument...

Armed citizens have stopped other mass shootings. So just because one professor didn't have the stones to step in, it doesn't mean everyone should be denied the means to do so.

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Reply #347 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:34pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

So in your NRA-fueled fantasy, a criminal wants a gun, and one just pops into his hand, and there is no way the law can interfere between the desire to posses a gun and getting your hands on one?

And do you think every criminal in the US that wants a gun can get it also? Guns aren't the only weapon used, you know. Even in states where you can buy a gun without a background check through a private purchase.

In fact, in states where most firearms are illegal to purchase, firearms are still used in robberies so clearly making them illegal in those states hasn't worked.

Firearms are used in approximately 40.3% of robberies in the US whereas strong arm, knives and other weapons make up the remaining 59.7%

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

And the experience in Australia of criminals frequently having to make do with alternative (less lethal) weapons has no chance of penetrating this little fantasy of yours?

Australian law doesn't designate a knife as being less lethal than a gun. It considers both just as lethal as each other.

One more time, very slowly. I am merely trying to get you to acknowledge that you were wrong to claim that gun laws have no influence on whether criminals acquire and use guns. I am sorry for responding to all your other drivel before checking whether you understood this point.

Do you understand it now?

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #348 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:35pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:21pm:

Me, and every link I can find. Your point, at best, is that I called a pop gun an assault rifle, yeas? The former does not get to be used to slaughter kids at Sandy Hook and the latter does. Is that it?

http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/images/5801.jpg
Is this also an Assault Rifle?

Not in my mind. It has a very limited magazine capacity and if I have ID it correctly was the US carbine used in WW2. Still, well and truly capable of slaughtering the Land of Liberty kids at Sandy Hook. Your point is?

No, not a WW2 rifle. It is a Ruger Mini-14 and it can take a magazine with the same capacity as the scary looking rifle you showed. the only difference between the two is cosmetic. Are they both assault rifles then?

You clearly don't know what the definition of an assault rifle is. An assault rifle wasn't used at Sandy Hook. A semi automatic rifle was. Just because it looks scary, it doesn't make it an assault rifle.

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Reply #349 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

A teacher who was too afraid to go out and confront him. Another problem with your argument...

Armed citizens have stopped other mass shootings. So just because one professor didn't have the stones to step in, it doesn't mean everyone should be denied the means to do so.

Hang on!!! Didn't you just pose that Schools were gun free zones?

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Reply #350 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

One more time, very slowly. I am merely trying to get you to acknowledge that you were wrong to claim that gun laws have no influence on whether criminal's acquire and use guns. I am sorry for responding to all your other drivel before checking whether you understood this point.

Do you understand it now?

They will have no influence if a criminal is resourceful and intent enough to purchase one illegally. It just stops them from buying it legally. So as a result, law abiding citizens remain unarmed and criminals that wish to get firearms will still be able to do so.

Australia still gets illegal firearms brought into the country. Criminals still buy them.

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Reply #351 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:39pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

A teacher who was too afraid to go out and confront him. Another problem with your argument...

Armed citizens have stopped other mass shootings. So just because one professor didn't have the stones to step in, it doesn't mean everyone should be denied the means to do so.

Hang on!!! Didn't you just pose that Schools were gun free zones?

Yes. Not all mass shootings are at schools. Armed citizens have been known to respond to a school shooting as a passer by and enter the place where it is occurring, even if it is a school.

Some armed citizens don't give a damn about a law that makes them sitting ducks and carry firearms at schools anyway in case a deranged person with a firearm starts shooting students.

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Reply #352 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:21pm:

Me, and every link I can find. Your point, at best, is that I called a pop gun an assault rifle, yeas? The former does not get to be used to slaughter kids at Sandy Hook and the latter does. Is that it?

http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/images/5801.jpg
Is this also an Assault Rifle?

Not in my mind. It has a very limited magazine capacity and if I have ID it correctly was the US carbine used in WW2. Still, well and truly capable of slaughtering the Land of Liberty kids at Sandy Hook. Your point is?

No, not a WW2 rifle. It is a Ruger Mini-14 and it can take a magazine with the same capacity as the scary looking rifle you showed. the only difference between the two is cosmetic. Are they both assault rifles then?

You clearly don't know what the definition of an assault rifle is. An assault rifle wasn't used at Sandy Hook. A semi automatic rifle was. Just because it looks scary, it doesn't make it an assault rifle.

Oh, well, thank goodness for that. I guess I just imagined that all those kids at Sandy Hook were slaughtered by some yanker using something other than an assault rifle. Gee, that was lucky a escape for you and your bullshit.

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Reply #353 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

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They will have no influence if a criminal is resourceful and intent enough to purchase one illegally.

This is going to be difficult for you, but you should stop and think about what this means. Why do junkies rob stores? If they have the money to buy a gun, what do you think they would do with that money?

Are you acknowledging that gun laws do work in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals? You appear to be attempting to exclude a large part of your reality in order to cling to your original delusions. If you are trying to admit you were wrong, you should just say so.

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #354 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:43pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

Oh, well, thank goodness for that. I guess I just imagined that all those kids at Sandy Hook were slaughtered by some yanker using something other than an assault rifle. Gee, that was lucky a escape for you and your bullshit.

He used a semi automatic rifle. Not an assault rifle. Big difference.

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Reply #355 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:44pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

Oh, well, thank goodness for that. I guess I just imagined that all those kids at Sandy Hook were slaughtered by some yanker using something other than an assault rifle. Gee, that was lucky a escape for you and your bullshit.

He used a semi automatic rifle. Not an assault rifle. Big difference.

I feel much better about that slaughter now.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #356 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:45pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

A teacher who was too afraid to go out and confront him. Another problem with your argument...

Armed citizens have stopped other mass shootings. So just because one professor didn't have the stones to step in, it doesn't mean everyone should be denied the means to do so.

and STARTED thousands of others you dickhead.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #357 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:46pm

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

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They will have no influence if a criminal is resourceful and intent enough to purchase one illegally.

This is going to be difficult for you, but you should stop and think about what this means. Why do junkies rob stores? If they have the money to buy a gun, what do you think they would do with that money?

Are you acknowledging that gun laws do work in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals? You appear to be attempting to exclude a large part of your reality in order to cling to your original delusions. If you are trying to admit you were wrong, you should just say so.

Obviously they'll use it to get a fix. They don't have to buy a gun here either to rob a store. They can use a knife and get a fix through robbing with a knife.

Gun laws keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens that don't want to break the law. If a criminal is intent and resourceful enough in Australia, they can buy a brand new Glock 23 brought into the country illegally and use it to commit crimes. There are few crimes that they would need to use it in because they could use more primitive means as law abiding citizens are disarmed and unable to defend themselves against such means.

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Reply #358 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:47pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

Oh, well, thank goodness for that. I guess I just imagined that all those kids at Sandy Hook were slaughtered by some yanker using something other than an assault rifle. Gee, that was lucky a escape for you and your bullshit.

He used a semi automatic rifle. Not an assault rifle. Big difference.

I feel much better about that slaughter now.

You should feel very stupid.

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Reply #359 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:47pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

A teacher who was too afraid to go out and confront him. Another problem with your argument...

Armed citizens have stopped other mass shootings. So just because one professor didn't have the stones to step in, it doesn't mean everyone should be denied the means to do so.

Hang on!!! Didn't you just pose that Schools were gun free zones?

Yes. Not all mass shootings are at schools. Armed citizens have been known to respond to a school shooting as a passer by and enter the place where it is occurring, even if it is a school.

Some armed citizens don't give a damn about a law that makes them sitting ducks and carry firearms at schools anyway in case a deranged person with a firearm starts shooting students.

I have never heard of that happening and nor have you. I am calling BS on that and defy you to prove it.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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