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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #330 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:03pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

It is so obvious she is imminent danger. I think the dog is carrying concealed and is about to shoot her.

http://my.opencarry.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Marie_Claire.png

If she were in imminent danger she'd probably have the firearm drawn. People who carry for the most part don't believe they are in imminent danger. They carry in case they become in imminent danger of grievous bodily harm or death.

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Lafayette Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 316 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #331 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:04pm Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:51pm: All your fancy open carry etc did not stop this nutcase/bloke. Link. And who at VT was carrying that day aside from the nutcase who killed all of those people?
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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #332 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Oh I see. There are nut cases on ice, so let's make it easy for them to get hold of assault rifles so that when they are off the planet, they have the easy capacity to slaughter kids at School. Yeas.....that's logical!

So far as I'm aware there's never been an assault rifle used at a school shooting in the US.

You will not be able to legislate against mental illness without infringing on the rights of all of the people.

and as usual, you are dead wrong.

Give me one example of an ASSAULT RIFLE being used in a school shooting in the US. You won't find one because so far as I'm aware, none that fit the definition of an ASSAULT RIFLE have been used in a school shooting.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #333 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:06pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

It is so obvious she is imminent danger. I think the dog is carrying concealed and is about to shoot her.

http://my.opencarry.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Marie_Claire.png

If she were in imminent danger she'd probably have the firearm drawn. People who carry for the most part don't believe they are in imminent danger. They carry in case they become in imminent danger of grievous bodily harm or death.

Of course. The dog is gonna get her with its concealed carry. Sneaky mutt, but thanks to the liberal gun laws in the Commonwealth of Virginia, she will be safe. Phew, close one, that.

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #334 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:07pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Oh I see. There are nut cases on ice, so let's make it easy for them to get hold of assault rifles so that when they are off the planet, they have the easy capacity to slaughter kids at School. Yeas.....that's logical!

So far as I'm aware there's never been an assault rifle used at a school shooting in the US.

You will not be able to legislate against mental illness without infringing on the rights of all of the people.

and as usual, you are dead wrong.

Give me one example of an ASSAULT RIFLE being used in a school shooting in the US. You won't find one because so far as I'm aware, none that fit the definition of an ASSAULT RIFLE have been used in a school shooting.

Sandy Hook.

What's that thing hanging off his shoulder............a pop gun?

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Lafayette Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 316 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #335 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:09pm Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:07pm: Sandy Hook. It doesn't fit the definition of an ASSAULT RIFLE. Sorry, you lose.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39696 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #336 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm What is this thing? Link.
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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #337 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:13pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:07pm:

What's that thing hanging off his shoulder............a pop gun?

http://freakoutnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Jason-Reggie.jpg

The one on the left is a semi automatic rifle and due to the fact that it has a pistol grip in some states it'll be considered an assault weapon. But having a pistol grip on a semi automatic rifle doesn't make it any more dangerous than another semi automatic rifle such as a mini-14 that doesn't have a pistol grip.

Nevertheless, it doesn't fit within the definition of an Assault Rifle. The one on the right is a pistol.

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Lafayette Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 316 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #338 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:13pm Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm: What is this thing? Link. A Semi Automatic Rifle. Not an Assault Rifle.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39696 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #339 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:15pm Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:13pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm: What is this thing? Link. A Semi Automatic Rifle. Not an Assault Rifle. Rubbish. This is an assault rifle. Maybe, I'm wrong and it's just a pop gun and could not slaughter any kids at Sandy Hook.
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Lafayette Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 316 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #340 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:15pm: Rubbish. This is an assault rifle. Maybe, I'm wrong and it's just a pop gun and could not slaughter any kids at Sandy Hook. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/M4gery.jpg And what exactly makes it an assault rifle?
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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #341 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:21pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

Rubbish. This is an assault rifle. Maybe, I'm wrong and it's just a pop gun and could not slaughter any kids at Sandy Hook.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/M4gery.jpg

And what exactly makes it an assault rifle?

Me, and every link I can find. Your point, at best, is that I called a pop gun an assault rifle, yeas? The former does not get to be used to slaughter kids at Sandy Hook and the latter does. Is that it?

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Lafayette Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 316 Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #342 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:27pm Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:21pm: Me, and every link I can find. Your point, at best, is that I called a pop gun an assault rifle, yeas? The former does not get to be used to slaughter kids at Sandy Hook and the latter does. Is that it? Is this also an Assault Rifle?
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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #343 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:27pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

This is a very simple point lafayette. I am surprised you still do not understand. Perhaps you should try reading it again. As far as I am concerned, less gun crime, fewer shootings and fewer deaths as a result counts as working. I realise that your only criteria is being able to fulfill your fantasy of gunning down a junkie in a liquor store robbery, but most people do not define liberty that way.

You claimed that gun laws are ineffective in preventing criminals from using guns. You were wrong. If you concede you were wrong on this point, we can move on to the next point you were wrong on.

No, gun laws won't stop criminals from using guns if they want to use them because, by definition, criminals don't care what the law states.

I'm not sure why you must insist that my reason for believing in the right to keep and bear arms is because I want to kill a person when that is not the case. But I guess you'll try and attribute my beliefs to whatever makes you feel best inside, right?

How by any definition of 'liberty' is being required to carry and know how to use a gun 'liberty'? That requires you to be constantly alert and on guard and ready to use your gun. How the hell is that 'freedom'? Over here in australia we can go anywhere we like with zero expectation of needing a gun to protect us and near zero actual need. THAT is liberty.

And i repeat that you just desperately want to kill someone. I imagine it is part of your nightly masturbation ritual.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: How do you define liberty?
Reply #344 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:51pm:

All your fancy open carry etc did not stop this nutcase/bloke.

Link.

And who at VT was carrying that day aside from the nutcase who killed all of those people?

A teacher who was too afraid to go out and confront him. Another problem with your argument...

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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