They did convert - and as far as we know they did so voluntarily. Religion was tribal and very much political in those days. The records show that the Quraish leaders converted -  it makes perfect sense that members of a tribe would follow the religious affiliations of their leaders.

But you seem to be claiming here, as you have previously, that the pagans were ethnically cleansed out of Mecca - do you stand by that? Which is it FD - were they forcibly converted or driven out? If ethnically cleansed, where did they go? Where is the record of them being driven out?

Is this what you mean by 'mistreatment' - just your confused bs about them being forcibly converted and/or ethnically cleansed - but you're not sure which?

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Of course. And men peed sitting down.

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How many pagans are there in Mecca today?

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I believe Islam has records of forced mass migrations (as well as slaughters) from the region. Muhammed "predicted" that the region would be cleansed of all non-Muslims, which of course was a self fulfilling prophesy.

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Like I keep telling you Gandalf, shariah law is mistreatment of pagans - even more so than Jews and Christians. Perhaps you could try responding to the first time I answered.

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 3:36pm:


Abu?

Put it in the Wiki, FD.

I believe the biggest source of Jewish immigrating to Israel after WWII was the neighbouring Muslim states. While the developed world was reeling from the horrors of the holocaust, the Muslims were busy rounding them up to finish the job off. Of course, they lacked Hitler's efficiency and are still busying themselves taking knives to a gunfights.

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 3:36pm:


Right, so you'll have no problem showing me the records of forced migrations from Mecca to back up your claim the pagans there were ethnically cleansed. So are we settled on the 'forced migration' version of your 'mistreatment' of the Meccan pagans? Or is it the forced coversion, or the "slaughter" version? I'm confused.

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 3:49pm:


Right, so they rounded them up to gas them... but accidentally sent them on planes to leave the country?

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Actually the biggest source of migration to Israel after WW2 was from the Soviet Union, the former Soviet Union and also from Ethiopia. Not as much from Muslim states.

Perhaps you should check your facts.

Lafayette wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 4:02pm:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

The Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries or Jewish exodus from Arab countries (Hebrew: יציאת יהודים ממדינות ערב‎, Yetziat yehudim mi-medinot Arav; Arabic: هجرة اليهود من الدول العربية والإسلامية‎ hijrat al-yahūd min ad-duwal al-'Arabīyah wal-Islāmīyah) was the departure, flight, evacuation and migration, of 850,000 Jews,[1][2] primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Muslim countries, mainly from 1948 to the early 1970s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

Consequently, the population of Israel rose from 800,000 to two million between 1948 and 1958.[169] Between 1948 and 1970, approximately 1,150,000 Jewish refugees relocated to Israel.

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Yes, I am sure the slaughter of the third tribe and expulsion and attacks on the first two completely escaped their attention. After all, these were pagans, incapable of learning until they converted to Islam. Only then did they understand Muhammed's plan.

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Islam literally means submission. But the choice is implicit.

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So despite surrendering unconditionally, they were still expecting their idols to 'save' them?