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Reply #210 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:24pm

Iraq’s Oldest Christian Monastery Destroyed by Islamic State
St. Elijah’s Monastery stood as a place of worship for 1,400 years

http://www.wsj.com/articles/iraqs-oldest-christian-monastery-reduced-to-field-of...

It makes PERFECT sense to stop all Muslim immigration to the West until we can relaiable and to our own satisfaction, tell Muslims who do this from Muslims who do not.

At present, there is no way to tell the difference. The onus MUST be put on Muslims who want to come to the West to prove that they are not jihadi caliphate-mongers. It is NOT for the West to give them the benefit of the doubt - they have betrayed that trust far, far too many times. And they have not demonstrated any ability or willingness to reign in the jihadi monsters.

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Reply #211 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:58pm

Of course banning every Muslim.doesn’t make sense, as every schoolboy knows.

But just think, the buildings, the antiquities - but more importantly, the communities - all destroyed by ISIL. Forget the beautiful monastery. What about the thousand year old order that gave it breath?

All gone.

I’m.not sure if we’ve seen such a destructive crowd before - not in the past century, anyway.

Who wouldn’t ban, kill and even nuke ISIL?

Banning them is the least we could do.

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Reply #212 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 2:46pm

Big Donger wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Of course banning every Muslim.doesn’t make sense, as every schoolboy knows.

But just think, the buildings, the antiquities - but more importantly, the communities - all destroyed by ISIL. Forget the beautiful monastery. What about the thousand year old order that gave it breath?

All gone.

I’m.not sure if we’ve seen such a destructive crowd before - not in the past century, anyway.

Who wouldn’t ban, kill and even nuke ISIL?

Banning them is the least we could do.

It makes PERFECT sense to stop all Muslim immigration to the West until we can reliable and to our own satisfaction, tell Muslims who do this from Muslims who do not.

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Reply #213 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 3:36pm

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Of course banning every Muslim.doesn’t make sense, as every schoolboy knows.

But just think, the buildings, the antiquities - but more importantly, the communities - all destroyed by ISIL. Forget the beautiful monastery. What about the thousand year old order that gave it breath?

All gone.

I’m.not sure if we’ve seen such a destructive crowd before - not in the past century, anyway.

Who wouldn’t ban, kill and even nuke ISIL?

Banning them is the least we could do.

It makes PERFECT sense to stop all Muslim immigration to the West until we can reliable and to our own satisfaction, tell Muslims who do this from Muslims who do not.

Put it in bold, old boy. That could work.

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Reply #215 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 6:55pm:

Stop laughing, this is serious.

You area a Muslim - how do YOU tell the difference between the jihadi monsters and the peaceful assimilationist Muslims in Australia?

You are a Muslim, tell us.

And if you can't - why shouldn't we bar the lot untul we figure out how to tell the difference?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52833 At my desk.	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #216 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:52pm I think it was Greg who claimed in another thread to be able to tell them apart. Then he went all shy on us.
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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101644	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #217 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:08pm freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:52pm: I think it was Greg who claimed in another thread to be able to tell them apart. Then he went all shy on us. I say. Did he refuse to answer questions?
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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101644	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #218 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:12pm Come now, FD. Don't go all shy on us.
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Reply #219 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 1:20am

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 6:55pm:

Stop laughing, this is serious.

You area a Muslim - how do YOU tell the difference between the jihadi monsters and the peaceful assimilationist Muslims in Australia?

You are a Muslim, tell us.

And if you can't - why shouldn't we bar the lot untul we figure out how to tell the difference?

Being a muslim doesn't make me an expert in counter-terrorism and such things. You're talking about security and immigration screening.

Yes there is a risk, but it seems a bit overblown to me. I'm guessing we have let in a hell of a lot more murderers and rapist non-muslims than we've let in actual terrorists.

It makes no sense to get hung up on the risks of letting in one particular type of migrant, when they are clearly not the extent of the risk - nor even the worst of the threat.
Any immigration policy has a virtually infinite number of inherent risks associated with it. But you accept those risks because we accept that immigration is a net benefit for the nation.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #220 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 7:19am

All religions that compel its devotees to proselytise its tenets (chiefly Christianity and Islam) lead their guardians, ministers and clerics to do so by any means necessary or be in default of their 'divine duty'.

And this religious imperative easily crosses the boundary of religion and into political systems (e.g. Communism and Western democracy).

Because, after all, the motivation for religious proselytisation and 'advancing' political ideology owes more to the accumulation of power and hegemony than to religious or secular 'righteousness'.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52833 At my desk.	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #221 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 8:59am Are communism and western democracy supposed to be examples of religious imperative crossing the boundary into political systems?
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Reply #222 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:07am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 7:19am:

All religions that compel its devotees to proselytise its tenets (chiefly Christianity and Islam) lead their guardians, ministers and clerics to do so by any means necessary or be in default of their 'divine duty'.

And this religious imperative easily crosses the boundary of religion and into political systems (e.g. Communism and Western democracy).

Really ?

Back in May, 2012, Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1336444854/28#28
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NoN,

None of these Protestants or Catholics had any scriptural authority to seize political power.

In fact in doing so [in seizing political, secular power], 'Protestant' or 'Catholic' regimes were proving that they were in fact making themselves into Gentiles [or, by another name, infidels] !

That determination is scriptural.

Jesus declared that his church should not follow the Gentile model of human governance, e.g. like Rome....

Matthew 20:25
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

Papists, and Protestants, who set themselves over the people are disregarding Jesus, and God's wishes, concerning his [God's] people.

Popes???

'Papa'?

"....And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
"...But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."
Matthew 23:1-13

Luke 9:60
Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Luke 10:1
After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 7:19am:

Because, after all, the motivation for religious proselytisation and 'advancing' political ideology owes more to the accumulation of power and hegemony than to religious or secular 'righteousness'.

Exactly!

.......what you said.

You make my point.

Christianity today is a soulless, worldly entity.

And Christianity today, is in no way reflective of the character of its founder [imo].

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Jesus, the man, was a property-less servant of others.

Matthew 8:20
And Jesus saith.....The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

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Jesus said...

"...thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

Revelation 2:6
Revelation 2:15

Nicolaitans???

What does that word, Nicolaitans, refer to ?

'Nicolaitan', refers to those who [Nico] 'rule over' or 'conquer', and [the laity] 'the people'.

Jesus in Revelation, and, in the Gospels, said that he hated those hypocrites, who use the authority of 'religion' [turning religion into a 'beastly', false, worldly 'spirituality'], so as to rule over men.

Almost every religion of man does this.

Some religions [more than others] going to extreme lengths, to exert their authority over their adherents/devotees.

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What did Jesus have to say, about how we should seek and worship God ?

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #223 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:15am

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 8:59am:

Are communism and western democracy supposed to be examples of religious imperative crossing the boundary into political systems?

Its notable that the justification for the exporting of these political systems are/were expressed in crypto-religious terms. Political 'proselytisers' from both sides have arrogated the religious concept of saving humanity/society from itself by imposing their respective political ideology by any means necessary.

As George W Bush said when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit - 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52833 At my desk.	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #224 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:30am No?
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