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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #180 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:11am were they all sex slaves FD?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52841 At my desk.	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #181 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am Do you think the Muslims documented the extent of their rape Gandalf? Are you asking me for statistics from centuries ago? Why do you think there were twice as many female slaves? Why do you think ISIS is so heavily focused on sex slaves?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #182 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:25am - FD's "evidence"
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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101995	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #183 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 12:43pm Yes, and it’s all in.the Wiki. Abu, ratchets, the lot. If FD’s questions don’t make you see reason, nothing will.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #184 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 1:02pm Big Donger wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 12:43pm: Yes, and it’s all in.the Wiki Indeed - FD has no end of quotes of FD proving that FD is right.
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Reply #185 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 3:30pm

So over 10 million slaves, a high proportion of women among them, and all of Islam's rules regarding sex with them - this does not count as evidence?

What would count as evidence Gandalf?

Does Islam compel you try to put a positive spin on this?

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If sex slaves were, as I strongly suspect, limited to the caliph and a very small number of his ruling class

Where did you get this from Gandalf? Did you just make it up?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #186 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:13pm Just to confirm FD - when you say most people think of what the caliphate did when they think of spreading Islam by the sword - its the sex-slave breeding program you are referring to?
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Reply #187 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Just to confirm FD - when you say most people think of what the caliphate did when they think of spreading Islam by the sword - its the sex-slave breeding program you are referring to?

It is. Cunning, no? A sinister Muselman project of eugenic control.

And they would have got away with it if it wasn’t for FD.

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Reply #188 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:20pm

So over 10 million slaves, a high proportion of women among them, and all of Islam's rules regarding sex with them - this does not count as evidence?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Just to confirm FD - when you say most people think of what the caliphate did when they think of spreading Islam by the sword - its the sex-slave breeding program you are referring to?

I am referring to the list of examples I gave about a dozen times earlier in the thread whenever you had the same misunderstanding.

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If sex slaves were, as I strongly suspect, limited to the caliph and a very small number of his ruling class

Did you just make this up Gandalf? Why are you afraid to say where you got it from?

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Reply #189 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:42pm

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

I am referring to the list of examples I gave about a dozen times earlier in the thread whenever you had the same misunderstanding.

Yes, and everything except the sex slave breeding-program theory related only to what Muhammad did (ie before the caliphate) - so it is just the sex slave breeding-program right?

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Did you just make this up Gandalf? Why are you afraid to say where you got it from?

I've only ever heard sex slaves/concubines in reference to the caliph and some of his ruling elite. I found this strange, since if there really was this systematic breeding program going on I would have thought there would be more references to it in the broader muslim population.

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Reply #190 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:46pm

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Yes, and everything except the sex slave breeding-program theory related only to what Muhammad did (ie before the caliphate) - so it is just the sex slave breeding-program right?

So you keep saying. But you won't answer even the most basic questions on this assertion - eg what time frame are you attempting to restrict it to? Did Muhammed not start the Caliphate?

Also, can you clarify the geographic region you are restricting it to in order to pretend the Caliphate never encountered pagans? Who wiped them all out? Muhammed?

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I've only ever heard sex slaves/concubines in reference to the caliph and some of his ruling elite. I found this strange, since if there really was this systematic breeding program going on I would have thought there would be more references to it in the broader muslim population.

Other than not hearing about it, do you have any reason to think it was not more widespread? Why do you think there were so many more female slaves?

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Reply #191 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:03pm

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

So you keep saying. But you won't answer even the most basic questions on this assertion - eg what time frame are you attempting to restrict it to?

When you refer to "what the caliphate did" I tend to view that as the time of the caliphate - funnily enough.

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

Did Muhammed not start the Caliphate?

umm no.

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

in order to pretend the Caliphate never encountered pagans?

So which pagans did the caliphate encounter?

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Reply #192 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:37am

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

So over 10 million slaves, a high proportion of women among them, and all of Islam's rules regarding sex with them - this does not count as evidence?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Just to confirm FD - when you say most people think of what the caliphate did when they think of spreading Islam by the sword - its the sex-slave breeding program you are referring to?

I am referring to the list of examples I gave about a dozen times earlier in the thread whenever you had the same misunderstanding.

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If sex slaves were, as I strongly suspect, limited to the caliph and a very small number of his ruling class

Did you just make this up Gandalf? Why are you afraid to say where you got it from?

Where does the 10 million slaves figure come from?

The Wiki?

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Reply #193 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 8:17am

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umm no.

As far as I am concerned it was the same state, particularly in the context of whether Islam was spread by the sword.

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So which pagans did the caliphate encounter?

No idea, but it is a bit ludicrous to suggest they were already wiped out from the huge area conquered by the Caliphate. Perhaps this is why you were attempting to limit the Caliphate geographically. The alternative is to suggest that they only existed within Arabia and outside the final extent of the Caliphate, and Muhammed was successful in wiping all of them out within Arabia before he died.

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Where does the 10 million slaves figure come from?

Wikipedia. I posted the link earlier.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #194 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 11:08am freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 8:17am: No idea Ah
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