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Big Donger Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 101687	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #150 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 2:40pm I’ve always wondered, FD. What’s a ratchet?
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Reply #151 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:24pm

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 2:19pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Faith_Ratchet#The_sex_ratchet

Thanks FD - but I asked about the muslim you said explained this elaborate breeding program to you. The only sources in this wiki are 1. you repeating the conspiracy and 2. both muslims present rejecting the idea and emphasising the fact that slavery is discouraged in Islam.

You specifically said a muslim explained the scheme to you - I'm just interested in hearing what he/she actually said.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52835 At my desk.	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #152 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:54am Quote me.
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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #153 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:42am

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

I have already provided the justification - see my earlier list of issues you are afraid to discuss.

Yes, the rounding up of women and creating an "Islamic breeding program". Its a novel idea, but I think I'll just stick to the actual facts.

freediver wrote on Dec 28^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

It is hardly novel Gandalf. It was a Muslim who gave me the details. Do you disagree with any of them?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52835 At my desk.	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #154 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 12:01pm So that is me claiming that a Muslim explained the scheme to me? Do you disagree with any of the details? Or does it only count if I can find a Muslim who shares my view on Islam?
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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #155 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 1:30pm

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 12:01pm:

So that is me claiming that a Muslim explained the scheme to me?

err yes.

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 12:01pm:

Or does it only count if I can find a Muslim who shares my view on Islam?

You stated that a muslim gave you the details - I'm merely asking what they actually said. So far you've only given me your ratchet article that references two threads - both of which the only two muslims emphasise that slavery was discouraged.

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Reply #156 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:29pm

I said Muslims gave me the details. I did not say they gave me the broad concept. Muslims like Abu, Falah etc gave me all the Islamic laws on how women, and sex slaves in particular, are treated.

The same Muslim who said that slavery was discouraged also said that a female captive could earn her freedom by bearing her owner a son. Of course, the son belonged to the Muslim man and became a Muslim. I never got a sensible explanation on what was expected of a woman who earns 'freedom' in this manner.

"Discouraging slavery" is not a detail. It is an attempt to polish a turd.

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Reply #157 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:52pm

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:29pm:

I said Muslims gave me the details. I did not say they gave me the broad concept. Muslims like Abu, Falah etc gave me all the Islamic laws on how women, and sex slaves in particular, are treated.

I see. I actually thought you meant a muslim came up with this 'sex slave breeding program' concept and revealed it to you - but its in fact entirely your own spin. Shame, you had me all interested there for a bit.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52835 At my desk.	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #158 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:03pm So anyway, back to the original question - do you disagree with any of the details of it, or do you merely want to spin it differently, like focusing on how Islam "discourages" slavery?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #159 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:27pm I disagree that sex slaves were part of a specific and deliberate breeding program to spread Islam. Its what I call baseless nonsense.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52835 At my desk.	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #160 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:28am So you agree with all the details but want to put a positive spin on it?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #161 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:56am What details FD? Specific reference to what actually happened during the caliphate please - not just the nonsense you read on the blurb of "Islamophobia for dummies".
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52835 At my desk.	Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword Reply #162 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 11:57am What do you think of the rule about sex slaves gaining their 'freedom' by bearing their owner a son? Or is that too vague for you?
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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #163 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:26pm

I think its extremely dishonest to imply thats the only condition for emancipation - let alone use it as a basis for a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory about a sinister breeding program to spread Islam.

Its actually quite absurd the idea that slavery was a specific tool to "breed" Islam across its subject population. As far as I know the vast majority of slaves remained non-muslim. Also how prevalent was sex slavery in reality? You provide not a shred of evidence of what actually happened - just the "theory" that muslims were doctrinally permitted to collect sex slaves, which predictably will just illicit your usual inane retort "prove that it wasn't the case" - right? Tongue

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #164 - Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

Its actually quite absurd the idea that slavery was a specific tool to "breed" Islam across its subject population. As far as I know the vast majority of slaves remained non-muslim. Also how prevalent was sex slavery in reality?

When these slaves were captured what happened to their husbands and fathers were they killed?

$Profit Mo's wives had a whinge about him banging his sex slaves, did Maria the Coptic Christian give $Profit Mo a son called Ibrahim?

Sheik Munajid's website says sex slaves are halal for muslim men-
islamqa.info/en/10382

More here-
islamqa.info/en/13737

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