Well in simple terms FD, I don't understand why you have your panties in a twist about Islam being spread by the sword, it's not all that unique.

Just another organised religion doin' it's thing.

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:



You mean all the Christian charities in the Third World are no different to ISIS and Al Qaeda and Muslim terrorists??

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:


Not at all. Allah Uakbar and Hallelujah are two distinct linguistic utterances used to celebrate a head being lopped off in the name of Gud.

Blessed is the name of the Lord, old boy.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:


Indeed Maqqa. After Christian Rome ethnically cleansed the hundreds of thousands of pagans at the point of the sword, and after Charlemagne was done forcefully converting the pagan saxons, the Christians needed a bit of a breather - but still had time for periodic massacres of the jews. Then they continued where they had left off in the new world - the massacres there making their previous work look like school play.

Still, clearly the true barbarity here was with the musselman - for their horrific "discriminatory" jizya tax - that allowed non-muslim subjects to retain their religion and protected rights to practice it. Clearly when railing against religions 'spreading by the sword', we should reserve our ire for the muslims, who even after 1400 years of rule still retains non-muslim populations - but definitely not the Christians who ruthlessly eliminated all traces of pre-christian cultures with brute force in a matter of decades.

Big Donger wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:


FD will always have his 800 jews beheaded in one day - thats a debating point for all seasons. Especially when we're talking about persecution of non-jews.

Big Donger wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:


I was waiting for that too. Maybe its finally dawned on FD that no one actually believes that story except FD.

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I am happy to concede it was Phem.

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Why is not about pagans?

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Don't forget the slaves Gandalf. Here is that list for you again. I have added a point to the beginning.

Islam followed the political boundaries of a militant empire spread by the sword under its name.

The use of sex to spread Islam - Muslim men taking up to four wives including non-Muslims, plus additional sex slaves. These sex slaves could only be obtained by the sword. The marriage imbalance and sex slavery would have created a strong and perverse incentive for Muslim men to seek out conquest and help spread Islam by the sword.

Female slaves being able to gain their 'freedom' by bearing their owner a son.

Muhammed's predecessors following through on his 'prediction' that the area around Mecca would be rid of all non-Muslims.

The fact that all non-Muslims are still banned from mecca.

Actual slaughter of pagans and destruction of their temple by Muhammed, because their temple was competing with the one in Mecca in attracting pagans.

The death penalty for leaving Islam. Do you think that might have involved a sword?

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Are you saying Muhammed did not massacre pagans and destroy their temple? Perhaps he got the Jews to do it so it is really their fault?

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So that is really all that you have? One of the incentives imposed by the Islamic State to convert to Islam was actually an incentive to not 'have them convert'? It was better to have them fund the war machine financially than lop their head off?

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You don't think that the death penalty for apostasy helped Islam spread?

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Sure. He also thinks that the death penalty for apostasy does not contradict it.

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So who is it about then Gandalf? When I gave examples of Muhammed slaughtering pagans, you decided it was not about them either.

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And of course 1400 years of Muslims who passed down the story. Were Muslims in the habit of passing down lies that obviously tarnished Muhammed's name? Or did they not even realise that it was a bad look?