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Was Islam spread by the Sword
Dec 13th, 2015 at 7:21am
 
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Undoubtedly taking the initiative in fighting has a great effect in spreading Islam and bringing people into the religion of Allah in crowds.Hence the enemies of Islam are filled with fear of Jihad.

Islam spread by means of proof and evidence to those who listened to the message and responded to it, and spread by means of force and the sword to those who were stubborn and arrogant, until they were overwhelmed and became no longer stubborn, and submitted to that reality.
islamqa.info/en/43087




Is Sheik Munajid saying those who reject Islam are stubborn and arrogant?

The Caliphate has spread by the sword just like it did in the old days, the beheading videos are evidence of this.
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #1 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 7:59am
 
Islam was an ideology invented for the purpose of building an empire.
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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #2 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:42am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 7:59am:
Islam was an ideology invented for the purpose of building an empire.



No - Islam was spread for the peoples need to have a sky fairy.
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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #3 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 11:09am
 


For the moslem; ISLAM IS INDOCTRINATED SUPREMACISM

For the non-moslem; ISLAM IS IMPOSED WAR [NOT PEACE]


Yadda wrote on Nov 8th, 2008 at 12:28pm:

When muslim 'missionaries' invaded north Africa, and southern Europe in the 700's, they came not with persuasion, but with their swords.


ISLAM is about war fighting, deception, accumulating the booty of this world.

ISLAM is about seeking political, worldly, power.



ISLAM is of SATAN,      ...not the creator.



Moslems living within Australia will claim their aim is to bring ISLAM to Australia - peacefully.

Because 'ISLAM is peace'.
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ISLAM is not peace.

ISLAM as a philosophy, is indoctrinated supremacism.


I claim, that moslems are following the direction of their clerics.

And i say moslem clerics have an agenda for total war against all unbelievers.

This doctrine is espoused by ISLAMIC texts, and by real, rightly guided, moslems.

But what do ISLAMIC jurisprudence experts, and clerics, say themselves, on this matter of war with 'unbelievers'???



They clearly say that....

ISLAM IS WAR, AGAINST DISBELIEVERS, FOR ALLAH'S RELIGION.



ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE EXPERT
EXAMPLE #1



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Was Islam spread by the sword?

A.
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"......Undoubtedly taking the initiative in fighting has a great effect in spreading Islam and bringing people into the religion of Allaah.
....The defeatists among the Muslims come out to defend Islam, and they want to disavow Islam of this so-called lie, so they deny that Islam was spread by the sword, and they say that jihad is not prescribed in Islam.
....If Islam was only spread by peaceful means, what would the kuffaar have to be afraid of?

....Would the kuffaar be afraid of being told, become Muslim, but if you do not then you are free to believe and do whatever you want? or were they afraid of jihad and the imposition of the jizyah and being humiliated? That may make them enter Islam so that they may be spared this humiliation."

....The fact that the sword and power were means of spreading Islam is not a sources of shame for Islam, rather it is one of its strengths and virtues.

....The [muslim] defeatists should fear Allaah lest they distort this religion and cause it to become weak on the basis of the claim that it is a religion of peace. Yes, it is the religion of peace but in the sense of saving all of mankind from worshipping anything other than Allaah and submitting all of mankind to the rule of Allaah.

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/43087

...so declares a real, rightly guided, muslim, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Munajid.

A person, a muslim cleric, who knows ISLAMIC jurisprudence.

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"Sheikh Muhammad Al-Munajid is an Islamic cleric......in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. He is notable for his many Islamic edicts."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Muhammad_Munajid

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"Welcome to Islam Question & Answer! This site aims to provide intelligent, authoritative responses to anyones question about Islam, whether it be from a Muslim or a non-Muslim, and to help solve general and personal social problems. Responses are composed by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, a known Islamic lecturer and author."

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/islamqapages/2



ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE EXPERT
EXAMPLE #2

The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh is the ISLAMIC equivalent of 'The Archbishop of Canterbury' in Saudi Arabia.

And this is what he had to say...

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September 23, 2006
"...the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh.
...Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam....."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html




Please, seek the truth for yourself.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #4 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 6:08am
 
Islam did spring up at the right time to develop and empire, interestingly enough, at EXACTLY the time the Roman Empire had collapsed - linked maybe?
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Reply #5 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 8:13am
 
plus or minus a few centuries
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Reply #6 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 10:18am
 
Phemanderac wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 6:08am:
Islam did spring up at the right time to develop and empire, interestingly enough, at EXACTLY the time the Roman Empire had collapsed - linked maybe?


The East Romans and Persians had exhausted each other from war. The rising Islamic empire swooped in and filled the vacuum. They certainly rose at an opportune time.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #7 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 12:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 8:13am:
plus or minus a few centuries


Nope
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Reply #8 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 12:26pm
 
From the wikipedia entry:

The Western Roman Empire began to disintegrate in the early 5th century as Germanic migrations and invasions overwhelmed the capacity of the Empire to assimilate the migrants and fight off the invaders.[citation needed] The Romans were successful in fighting off all invaders, most famously Attila the Hun,[citation needed] though the Empire had assimilated so many Germanic peoples of dubious loyalty to Rome that the Empire started to dismember itself.[citation needed] Most chronologies place the end of the Western Roman Empire in 476, when Romulus Augustulus was forced to abdicate to the Germanic warlord Odoacer.[23][better source needed] By placing himself under the rule of the Eastern Emperor, rather than naming himself Emperor (as other Germanic chiefs had done after deposing past Emperors), Odoacer ended the Western Empire by ending the line of Western Emperors.[citation needed]

The empire in the East — often known as the Byzantine Empire, but referred to in its time as the Roman Empire or by various other names — had a different fate. It survived for almost a millennium after the fall of its Western counterpart and became the most stable Christian realm during the Middle Ages. During the 6th century, Justinian briefly reconquered Northern Africa and Italy, but Roman possessions in the West were reduced to southern Italy and Sicily within a few years after Justinian's death.[24] In the east, partially resulting from the destructive Plague of Justinian, the Romans were threatened by the rise of Islam, whose followers rapidly conquered the territories of Syria, Armenia and Egypt during the Byzantine-Arab Wars, and soon presented a direct threat to Constantinople.[25][26] In the following century, the Arabs also captured southern Italy and Sicily.[27] Slavic populations were also able to penetrate deep into the Balkans.

The Romans, however, managed to stop further Islamic expansion into their lands during the 8th century and, beginning in the 9th century, reclaimed parts of the conquered lands.[28] In 1000 AD, the Eastern Empire was at its height: Basileios II reconquered Bulgaria and Armenia, culture and trade flourished.[29] However, soon after the expansion was abruptly stopped in 1071 with their defeat in the Battle of Manzikert. The aftermath of this important battle sent the empire into a protracted period of decline. Two decades of internal strife and Turkic invasions ultimately paved the way for Emperor Alexius I Comnenus to send a call for help to the Western European kingdoms in 1095.[25]
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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #9 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 12:56pm
 
The east roman empire certainly "collapsed" in terms of its occupation of the near east and its "roman" identity at the time of islam's rise. They never really recovered after losing their main bread basket of egypt. Thereafter it wasn't much more than a Greek rump state.
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Reply #10 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 3:00pm
 
Let’s all do the right thing and blame Islam. The quicker we do that, the quicker we can move onto getting rid of those hideous tinted races.
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Reply #11 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 3:03pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 3:00pm:
Let’s all do the right thing and blame Islam. The quicker we do that, the quicker we can move onto getting rid of those hideous tinted races.
They are here to stay I'm afraid strawberry sweetcake. Stopping more coming out is our aim.
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Reply #12 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 5:35pm
 
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 3:03pm:
Big Donger wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 3:00pm:
Let’s all do the right thing and blame Islam. The quicker we do that, the quicker we can move onto getting rid of those hideous tinted races.
They are here to stay I'm afraid strawberry sweetcake. Stopping more coming out is our aim.


I know it's our aim, Homo, but we can still aim to deport those races we hate. It is, after all, our right in a free society.

Having an aim isn't racist, shurely.
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Re: Was Islam spread by the Sword
Reply #13 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 7:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 7:59am:
Islam was an ideology invented for the purpose of building an empire.


You are quite right; Islam and all the other religions are nothing but tools for some powerful people to gain power and wealth.
You surprise me in your other post, how knowledgeable you seem to be on Roman History.
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Reply #14 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 10:13pm
 
Phlegm, exclaimed,  'nope' in arguing against someting year seven history students know. The Roman Empire died in the a.r.s.e a long time before Islam became a force. I love it when people put their foot in it.
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