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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143938 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #975 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:07am red baron wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 7:34am: No I won't because it's a Kangaroo Court decision ... It's a perfectly legal court decision. What you're proposing is a Kangaroo Court decision.
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Reply #976 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:24am

ot at all, in fact it is the exact opposite Gregg.

A Jury of his peers found Gerard Baden-Clay guilty of Murder and that should have been the end of it.

But no...the lawyers got involved and started muddying the waters of what was a clear case of Murder.

Then it went to the Appeals Court where the 3 Judges couldn't work out what went on, funny because it was clear enough to the Jury.

Then they started 'hypothesising and finally settled for finding him guilty of Manslaughter which means that they agreed that he killed her.

They just couldn't work out how, so they 'hypothesised' that he accidentally killed her, although they wouldn't have the first clue how...and they gave him Manslaughter.

Now that's what I call a 'lame duck' decision by three Judges who ran out of ideas.

Not good enough.

The Jury got it right.

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Reply #977 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:37am

red baron wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:24am:

Not at all

Yes.

You're refusing to accept the decision of our courts.

Instead, you want a Kangaroo Court outcome.

It's a disgrace that citizens like you have no respect for Australian law.

"Kangaroo Court: is a judicial tribunal or assembly that blatantly disregards recognized standards of law or justice, and often carries little or no official standing in the territory within which it resides."

i.e you, cods, and the other misinformed citizens who want to dispense your own form of "justice".

Absolutely disgraceful.

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Reply #978 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:05am

we did accept the decision of our courts...

the JURY ONE..

and we wil have no choice but to accept the APPEAL COURTs decision if its upheld...

but no one can tell us to LIKE IT..

and I would say there could be a huge outcry if it is sustained and it will be changed....

because its absurd...

what was he thinking/INTENDING beyond a reasonable doubt...

it doesnt make sense..

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143938 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #979 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:28am cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:05am: it doesnt make sense.. It all makes perfect sense. I don't see an issue.
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Reply #980 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:05am:

it doesnt make sense..

It all makes perfect sense.

I don't see an issue.

well you are a mind reader of course...

so of course you know exactly what his intention was at the time of her death.....he was thinking I mustnt kill her or words to that effect....

you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt he didnt INTEND TO KILL HER..

the defence has to PROVE HE INTENDED TO KILL HER....

how do you PROVE something that is going on in someones mind????...

people do snap.. especially those with heaps of pressure as RB keeps pointing out...

but because he didnt have a history of DV... doesnt mean he wasnt capable of cold blooded killing...

even psychos.. have a first victim.. Roll Eyes

Ted Bundy is a classic

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Reply #981 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:45am

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

well you are a mind reader of course...

Not even close.

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

so of course you know exactly what his intention was at the time of her death....

I have absolutely no idea what his intention was.

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

....he was thinking I mustnt kill her or words to that effect....

Was he? That's news to me. Is that what he said?

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt he didnt INTEND TO KILL HER..

I have no idea what his intentions were.

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

the defence has to PROVE HE INTENDED TO KILL HER....

And they've failed to do so (at this stage).

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

people do snap.. especially those with heaps of pressure as RB keeps pointing out...

Absolutely. That doesn't mean that he did, though.

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

but because he didnt have a history of DV... doesnt mean he wasnt capable of cold blooded killing...

Correct. Nobody has said anything to the contrary.

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Reply #982 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:20am

Gregg you having been on a wing and a prayer ever since you started posting on this thread. You are way out of your depth and it shows.

I even have severe doubts about Aussie's experience in Murder trials. How many did you do Aussie...any?

Your comments about what the Police should have been doing with the Crown Prosecutor leads me to believe that you don't have much knowledge procedure in Trials before a Jury.

Are you a Q.C. or are you a journeyman Solicitor who plied his trade mainly in the lower Courts? There are question marks in my mind about your experience in Murder Trials.

I went to a stack of Murder Trials representing the Police in Telephone Intercepts. Usually I was there for most of the trial.

How about you Aussie, how much time have you spent in the Courtroom when a Murder Trial has been on?

Relevance...this goes to experience.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143938 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #983 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:33am red baron wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:20am: Gregg you having been on a wing and a prayer ever since you started posting on this thread. Show me one thing I've said that's wrong.
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Reply #984 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:38am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

well you are a mind reader of course...

Not even close.

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

so of course you know exactly what his intention was at the time of her death....

I have absolutely no idea what his intention was.

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

....he was thinking I mustnt kill her or words to that effect....

Was he? That's news to me. Is that what he said?

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt he didnt INTEND TO KILL HER..

I have no idea what his intentions were.

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

the defence has to PROVE HE INTENDED TO KILL HER....

And they've failed to do so (at this stage).

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

people do snap.. especially those with heaps of pressure as RB keeps pointing out...

Absolutely. That doesn't mean that he did, though.

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

but because he didnt have a history of DV... doesnt mean he wasnt capable of cold blooded killing...

Correct. Nobody has said anything to the contrary.

gweg we know you worship your leader and theres nothing wrong with that but if you persist,in dealing with mysdelf as if you are loftier than I... then lets call it a day shall we???..

I either get treated with a bit of respect or forget it..

and if you wish to dissect my posts... dont expect a reply will you...and dont start up threads when you dont get one...

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143938 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #985 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:41am cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:38am: . I either get treated with a bit of respect or forget it.. Your post was treated with respect. I addressed every point you made. Which responses do you disagree with?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143938 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #986 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:44am red baron wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:24am: The Jury got it right. The law says otherwise. Why do you continue to disrespect Australian law?
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Reply #987 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:50am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:41am:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

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I either get treated with a bit of respect or forget it..

Your post was treated with respect.

I addressed every point you made.

Which responses do you disagree with?

several of them... but that aussies style and I hate it..

ok.. you dont want to be polite.. thats fine I call it disrespectful so I take it this is it...suits me.

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Reply #988 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:52am

red baron wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

Oh Aussie and regarding how 'my copper mates' would have been all over the Prosecutor if he didn't pursue the Insurance thing if it counted.

Sometimes I wonder how many times you have actually been in Court fighting criminal matters.

If you did, you would realise that once the Crown takes over proceedings, it is 'their ball game' not the Coppers. Other than assisting the Crown and giving evidence it is the Crown who wears the big boots.

Your words 'Coppers being all over the Prosecutor' its enough to have me accuse you of impersonating a Criminal Lawyer.

You have destroyed your own argument. Further, in my day, at the end of every day of a Trial, the Cops involved and the Prosecutor would be down at a Pun having a great old time.

And......I've done four Murder Trials, perhaps more. Four, off the top of my head.

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Reply #989 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:56am

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:41am:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

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I either get treated with a bit of respect or forget it..

Your post was treated with respect.

I addressed every point you made.

Which responses do you disagree with?

several of them... but that aussies style and I hate it..

ok.. you dont want to be polite.. thats fine I call it disrespectful so I take it this is it...suits me.

I have treated your posts with respect, and I have been polite.

What part of my response do you disagree with?

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