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Reply #30 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

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Reply #31 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:55am

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent on condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!!

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Reply #32 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:58am

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas. End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements. But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace.

The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack!

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Re: ALP Sucks Up 2 Israel
Reply #33 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:00am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!!

Smiley

The Greens have condemned violence on both sides.

Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes.

Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends.

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Reply #34 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:01am

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!!

Smiley

The Greens have condemned violence on both sides.

Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes.

Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends.

Friends of who, Hamas? That's who the greens are friends with.

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Reply #35 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:03am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:58am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas. End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements. But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace.

The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack!

Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine.
This cycle has not worked and will not work.

This is not the actions of a friend of Israel.

All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel.

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Reply #36 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:58am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas. End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements. But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace.

The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack!

Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine.
This cycle has not worked and will not work.

This is not the actions of a friend of Israel.

All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel.

Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas.

Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution. You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation. Be realistic.

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Re: ALP Sucks Up 2 Israel
Reply #37 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!!

Smiley

The Greens have condemned violence on both sides.

Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes.

Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends.

Friends of who, Hamas? That's who the greens are friends with.

Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine.

Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour.

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Reply #38 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:08am

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!!

Smiley

The Greens have condemned violence on both sides.

Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes.

Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends.

Friends of who, Hamas? That's who the greens are friends with.

Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine.

Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour.

As friends of Hamas, do the greens help produce the Mickey Mouse videos to advocate for children to kill Jews? Friends help friends, after all.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: ALP Sucks Up 2 Israel Reply #39 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:08am Here you go Greens....Any more bullshit you would like to spread??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-28/state-and-federal-mps-condemn-israeli-mili... Greens supporters are more radical than their party!!! https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/27/greens-targeted-boos-and-shoes-angry-pro-gaza-...
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Reply #40 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:08am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:58am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas. End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements. But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace.

The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack!

Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine.
This cycle has not worked and will not work.

This is not the actions of a friend of Israel.

All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel.

Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas.

Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution. You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation. Be realistic.

Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed.
Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with

Hamas or Islamic State?

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Re: ALP Sucks Up 2 Israel
Reply #41 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:12am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!!

Smiley

The Greens have condemned violence on both sides.

Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes.

Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends.

Friends of who, Hamas? That's who the greens are friends with.

Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine.

Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour.

As friends of Hamas, do the greens help produce the Mickey Mouse videos to advocate for children to kill Jews? Friends help friends, after all.

Palestinian Authority claims Israel planting knives near the bodies of Palestinians

"Israel has become professional in distorting the facts... accusing victims of its crimes that they were carrying knives or by planting a knife next to their bodies," said a PA spokesman.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-Israel-planting...

Neither side are perfect and by pretending one side is, is not the action of a friend.

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Reply #42 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:12am

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:58am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas. End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements. But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace.

The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack!

Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine.
This cycle has not worked and will not work.

This is not the actions of a friend of Israel.

All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel.

Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas.

Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution. You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation. Be realistic.

Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed.
Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with

Hamas or Islamic State?

I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people.

And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION.

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Reply #43 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:14am

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!!

Smiley

The Greens have condemned violence on both sides.

Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes.

Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends.

Friends of who, Hamas? That's who the greens are friends with.

Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine.

Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour.

As friends of Hamas, do the greens help produce the Mickey Mouse videos to advocate for children to kill Jews? Friends help friends, after all.

Palestinian Authority claims Israel planting knives near the bodies of Palestinians

"Israel has become professional in distorting the facts... accusing victims of its crimes that they were carrying knives or by planting a knife next to their bodies," said a PA spokesman.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-Israel-planting...

Neither side are perfect and by pretending one side is, is not the action of a friend.

Yes I bet the same story as Israelis on purpose defacating in Palestinian homes on the floor. All was unsubstantiated

So as friends of Hamas, do the greens support and help with propaganda that may have been the reason this 16 year old girl wanted to be a martyr?

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Re: ALP Sucks Up 2 Israel
Reply #44 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:20am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:58am:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.

As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas. End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements. But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace.

The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack!

Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine.
This cycle has not worked and will not work.

This is not the actions of a friend of Israel.

All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel.

Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas.

Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution. You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation. Be realistic.

Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed.
Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with

Hamas or Islamic State?

I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people.

And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION.

The choice is real and it's either negotiating a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority or war with Islamic State.

And if labor and the coalition were friends with Israel, they would constantly remind Israel that Israel's current actions are promoting the eventual war with IS.

This could end with the complete destruction of Israel. How is this a good outcome?

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