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You have been lied to your entire life. AGW next
Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:23pm

The Ozone Scare Was A Dry Run For The Global Warming Scare

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Figure 1 shows the level in Dobson Units explained in Figure 2. As with CO2, it is important the public understand the volumes and distributions so involved. Applying the information in Figure 2 against the conditions in Figure 1, you can see that the global average of 300 Dobson Units means if you compressed the ozone down to the surface at 0°C and one atmospheric pressure you have a layer 3 mm thick. The level over Antarctica in Figure 1 is 150 DU or half the average – thinner, but not a hole.

The entire story of ozone depletion due to Chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) was just that, a story, a scientifically created deception. It was a forerunner and template for the much larger deception of global warming entirely due to human produced CO2. Now, the evidence, much of which was known at the start but deliberately ignored, is emerging.

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The false science was exposed in “The Holes in Ozone Hoax” As they wrote

“Omitted from this story of mass destruction is the fact that the amounts of chlorine contained in all the world’s CFCs are insignificant compared to the amount of chlorine put into the atmosphere from natural sources”

The CO2 equivalent to the chlorine deception involved claiming that the CO2 produced from burning fossil fuels differed from “natural” CO2. Similarly, the volumes produced by humans are within the error of the estimate of at least two major non-human sources. It would be an insignificant amount, even if it were causing global warming. The only way the IPCC was able to claim human CO2 was the major factor involved eliminating almost all other possible sources of change. Promoters of the CFC fiasco did the same earlier and achieved their goal. No wonder they tried it again with CO2.

All very similar pseudo science to the co2 hoax.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/12/05/the-ozone-scare-was-a-dry-run-for-the-glob...

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Re: You have been lied to your entire life. AGW next
Reply #1 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm

What a ridiculous post by the progressive clown freak corporatised puppet

There is extensive peer reviewed literature that validates the degradation of the Ozone hole, in particular over the polar caps, as well as a recorded history of its subsequent recovery after CFCs were banned in the early 1990s.

The derangement and puppetry in this thread is extreme to say the least

lots of overdue apologies and self banishments in arrears me thinks

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Re: You have been lied to your entire life. AGW next
Reply #2 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:51pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

What a ridiculous post by the progressive clown freak corporatised puppet

There is extensive peer reviewed literature that validates the degradation of the Ozone hole, in particular over the polar caps, as well as a recorded history of its subsequent recovery after CFCs were banned in the early 1990s.

The derangement and puppetry in this thread is extreme to say the least

lots of overdue apologies and self banishments in arrears me thinks

https://mediaalive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/thinking-monkey.jpg

Hmmm how you say in monkey...... you have been lied to your entire life and never question it

Read a little, it may take you from primitive to something a little less primitive.

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Reply #3 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:53pm

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

What a ridiculous post by the progressive clown freak corporatised puppet

There is extensive peer reviewed literature that validates the degradation of the Ozone hole, in particular over the polar caps, as well as a recorded history of its subsequent recovery after CFCs were banned in the early 1990s.

The derangement and puppetry in this thread is extreme to say the least

lots of overdue apologies and self banishments in arrears me thinks

https://mediaalive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/thinking-monkey.jpg

Hmmm how you say in monkey...... you have been lied to your entire life and never question it

Read a little, it may take you from primitive to something a little less primitive.

apologise and self ban for 48 hours

gather your thoughts and recoup whats left of your ridiculous and putridly pathetic existence.

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Reply #4 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:41am

' Prior to 1979, scientists had not observed concentrations below 220 Dobson Units. But in the early 1980s, through a combination of ground-based and satellite measurements, scientists began to realize that Earth’s natural sunscreen was thinning dramatically over the South Pole each spring. This large, thin spot in the ozone layer came to be known as the ozone hole.'

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/ozone.php

There was never any hole, merely thinning.

Because scientists hadn't seen a low reading before they hadn't existed, right? Of course we have 60 years of readings, so it must be correct.

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Reply #5 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:57pm

lee wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

' Prior to 1979, scientists had not observed concentrations below 220 Dobson Units. But in the early 1980s, through a combination of ground-based and satellite measurements, scientists began to realize that Earth’s natural sunscreen was thinning dramatically over the South Pole each spring. This large, thin spot in the ozone layer came to be known as the ozone hole.'

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/ozone.php

There was never any hole, merely thinning.

Because scientists hadn't seen a low reading before they hadn't existed, right? Of course we have 60 years of readings, so it must be correct.

And satellites prior to "1979" that were looking for the hole or the ozone. Anyone know what satellite that was?

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Reply #6 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:05pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

What a ridiculous post by the progressive clown freak corporatised puppet

There is extensive peer reviewed literature that validates the degradation of the Ozone hole, in particular over the polar caps, as well as a recorded history of its subsequent recovery after CFCs were banned in the early 1990s.

The derangement and puppetry in this thread is extreme to say the least

lots of overdue apologies and self banishments in arrears me thinks

https://mediaalive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/thinking-monkey.jpg

Chimp... YOUR problem is, you attack the posters so often, rather than the actual science/message, that it's really reached the point that a w@nk 'instruction' from you to "apologise and self ban" is pretty much 100% proof that the post is absolutely correct (otherwise you wouldn't crap on about apologies etc).. Grin

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Reply #7 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:46pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

as well as a recorded history of its subsequent recovery after CFCs were banned in the early 1990s.

'Ozone hole over Antarctica swells to fourth-largest on record: NASA

Date
October 30, 2015 '

Peter Hannam
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/ozone-hole-over-antarctica-swel...

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Reply #8 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:31pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

What a ridiculous post by the progressive clown freak corporatised puppet

There is extensive peer reviewed literature that validates the degradation of the Ozone hole, in particular over the polar caps, as well as a recorded history of its subsequent recovery after CFCs were banned in the early 1990s.

The derangement and puppetry in this thread is extreme to say the least

lots of overdue apologies and self banishments in arrears me thinks

https://mediaalive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/thinking-monkey.jpg

You're dealing with people who simultaneously claim that man never went to the moon yet somehow moon-rock for fusion will save humanity just in case the leftys are not wrong...

Yay, crack is like really good for you and stuff Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:35pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

What a ridiculous post by the progressive clown freak corporatised puppet

There is extensive peer reviewed literature that validates the degradation of the Ozone hole, in particular over the polar caps, as well as a recorded history of its subsequent recovery after CFCs were banned in the early 1990s.

The derangement and puppetry in this thread is extreme to say the least

lots of overdue apologies and self banishments in arrears me thinks

https://mediaalive.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/thinking-monkey.jpg

Chimp... YOUR problem is, you attack the posters so often, rather than the actual science/message, that it's really reached the point that a w@nk 'instruction' from you to "apologise and self ban" is pretty much 100% proof that the post is absolutely correct (otherwise you wouldn't crap on about apologies etc).. Grin

- are you talking about limits ??

--> surely limits don't exist because then concepts such as diminishing returns might also exist

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Reply #10 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:37pm

lee wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

' Prior to 1979, scientists had not observed concentrations below 220 Dobson Units. But in the early 1980s, through a combination of ground-based and satellite measurements, scientists began to realize that Earth’s natural sunscreen was thinning dramatically over the South Pole each spring. This large, thin spot in the ozone layer came to be known as the ozone hole.'

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/ozone.php

There was never any hole, merely thinning.

Because scientists hadn't seen a low reading before they hadn't existed, right? Of course we have 60 years of readings, so it must be correct.

Extra extra: real all about it- nothing can be measured ever

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21590 Gender:	Re: You have been lied to your entire life. AGW next Reply #11 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:59pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:37pm: Extra extra: real all about it- nothing can be measured ever Is that real? Except when it's Climate Science ^TM.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: You have been lied to your entire life. AGW next Reply #12 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:51pm lee wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:59pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:37pm: Extra extra: real all about it- nothing can be measured ever Is that real? Except when it's Climate Science ^TM. lee can pick up on typos : you should run for liberal preselection
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Reply #13 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:20pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

lee wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

' Prior to 1979, scientists had not observed concentrations below 220 Dobson Units. But in the early 1980s, through a combination of ground-based and satellite measurements, scientists began to realize that Earth’s natural sunscreen was thinning dramatically over the South Pole each spring. This large, thin spot in the ozone layer came to be known as the ozone hole.'

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/ozone.php

There was never any hole, merely thinning.

Because scientists hadn't seen a low reading before they hadn't existed, right? Of course we have 60 years of readings, so it must be correct.

Extra extra: real all about it- nothing can be measured ever

'German Physicist and meteorologist Klaus-Eckart Puls who states:

“Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data—first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.” “Scientifically it is sheer absurdity to think we can get a nice climate by turning a CO2 adjustment knob." '

http://notrickszone.com/2012/05/09/the-belief-that-co2-can-regulate-climate-is-s...

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Reply #14 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 10:44am

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you can see that the global average of 300 Dobson Units means if you compressed the ozone down to the surface at 0°C and one atmospheric pressure you have a layer 3 mm thick. The level over Antarctica in Figure 1 is 150 DU or half the average – thinner, but not a hole.

Yes it was ozone thinning that let in larger amounts of dangerous UV radiation. In the media it was described as a hole but you are arguing over semantics. The effect of an ozone layer that is half the thickness is still dangerous.

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the fact that the amounts of chlorine contained in all the world’s CFCs are insignificant compared to the amount of chlorine put into the atmosphere from natural sources”

This quote shows a complete lack of understanding of how the carbon cycle (and chlorine cycle) works. In nature the amount of CO2 or Cl in the atmosphere becomes a balance between what is naturally created and what is naturally destroyed. Problems occur when human activity creates extra of the gas which then accumulates.

Progessives, your article is pure ideologically driven pseudo science

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