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Reply #30 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 11:12am
 
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Reply #31 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 11:53am
 
mariacostel wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:24am:
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:14am:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 11:48am:
The Bill Henson "controversy" is so embarrassing from a global art standpoint. Lets cover up all the renaissance great painting as well because they have naked children. Ban that picture of the Vietnamese girl fleeing Napalm bombing, she's naked thus pornography.

Rudd's moronic bible thumping moralist attitude really is one of the main reasons I dislike him.


That photo defined the war. It is everywhere and yet, it is undeniable child porn by any definition you care to find..


No, dear, pornography is defined by the intent of the pornographer to arouse sexual desire. A news photo has no such intention, naked or otherwise.

Nor does any photo or artwork that shows nudity without this intention.



You really ought to keep up.  That legal defintion has long since been done away with. OTHERS determine if something is pornographic or not.


Yes, it varies from state to state, but basically covers:

Depictions of:

* Explicit sex
* In a sexual context
* Any abuse / torture
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Re: Malcolm Turnbull, Paedophilia & Pornography
Reply #32 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 1:50pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:33am:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:24am:
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:14am:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 11:48am:
The Bill Henson "controversy" is so embarrassing from a global art standpoint. Lets cover up all the renaissance great painting as well because they have naked children. Ban that picture of the Vietnamese girl fleeing Napalm bombing, she's naked thus pornography.

Rudd's moronic bible thumping moralist attitude really is one of the main reasons I dislike him.


That photo defined the war. It is everywhere and yet, it is undeniable child porn by any definition you care to find..


No, dear, pornography is defined by the intent of the pornographer to arouse sexual desire. A news photo has no such intention, naked or otherwise.

Nor does any photo or artwork that shows nudity without this intention.



You really ought to keep up.  That legal defintion has long since been done away with. OTHERS determine if something is pornographic or not.



It would seem you are correct, we no longer have a legal definition of quite a few things, it's mob rule, who can be most offended & get as many as possible onboard the outrage bus.

Personally I'll have legal definition thanks, even if at times I don't agree.

At least it is consistent.

I mean look how fickle the public is, prime example is LNP supporters here.

6 months ago Turnbull sucked now his a GOD.



Legal definitions are fine but the CP one is scary. Finnigan got 15 months jail (suspended) for 45 seconds worth of looking at material he saw on google.
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Re: Malcolm Turnbull, Paedophilia & Pornography
Reply #33 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 5:56pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:24am:
Melanias purse wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:14am:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 11:48am:
The Bill Henson "controversy" is so embarrassing from a global art standpoint. Lets cover up all the renaissance great painting as well because they have naked children. Ban that picture of the Vietnamese girl fleeing Napalm bombing, she's naked thus pornography.

Rudd's moronic bible thumping moralist attitude really is one of the main reasons I dislike him.


That photo defined the war. It is everywhere and yet, it is undeniable child porn by any definition you care to find..


No, dear, pornography is defined by the intent of the pornographer to arouse sexual desire. A news photo has no such intention, naked or otherwise.

Nor does any photo or artwork that shows nudity without this intention.



You really ought to keep up.  That legal defintion has long since been done away with. OTHERS determine if something is pornographic or not.


No, dear, that’s still the definition in NSW. You still live in Sydney, yes?

Feel free to post changes to NSW legislation that update the definition of child pornography though. I’ll be happy to eat my hat in the interest of truth and justice.
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Re: Malcolm Turnbull, Paedophilia & Pornography
Reply #34 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:17pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:38pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 11:48am:
The Bill Henson "controversy" is so embarrassing from a global art standpoint. Lets cover up all the renaissance great painting as well because they have naked children. Ban that picture of the Vietnamese girl fleeing Napalm bombing, she's naked thus pornography.

Rudd's moronic bible thumping moralist attitude really is one of the main reasons I dislike him.


That photo defined the war. It is everywhere and yet, it is undeniable child porn by any definition you care to find. UNfortunately the usual moralist crusaders have turned a fairly simple definition - 'child porn' - into things that are neither pornographic or even naked, do not even have a child in it and are neither a video nor a picture.  The scope of the CP legislation should scare people. Getting registered as a sex offender for having a simpson's character cartoon is a bad thing.

Nonsense, child porn is about context. A picture of your own young child in your photo album is not porn, on some peds computer it is.


Alas, Ian, no, that’s not it either. The images themselves are tested in court, not any fantasies someone might have about them. Pornography is about the intent of the producer.

Artists, film makers, producers of anatomy textbooks, and yes, creators of underwear catalogues, all are still free to produce images of children if their intent is not erotic.

In a legal sense, one’s gaze does not eroticize an image, even though we all know beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are those among us who are aroused by the sight of horses, for example, but a horse-fancier looking at a naked filly does not deem such an image pornographic, no matter how sexy that horse may be.

Sure, in an ethical sense, we might balk at paedophiles wanking over teenybopper mags, but such images are still legal. Susan Sontag had a lot to say about the ethics of pornography and the sexual gaze of the viewer, but the law has to apply to everyone equally.

We still don’t convict people for their desire, no matter how much popular opinion has changed on this issue. The construction of an image is what’s deemed to be erotic in law, not the desire of the viewer.
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