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Climate-change foes winning public opinion war
Dec 3rd, 2015 at 1:02pm
 
'As world leaders meet this week and next at a historic climate change summit in Paris, a new study by Michigan State University environmental scientists suggests opponents of climate change appear to be winning the war of words.

The research, funded by the National Science Foundation, finds that climate-change advocates are largely failing to influence public opinion. Climate-change foes, on the other hand, are successfully changing people’s minds – Republicans and Democrats alike – with messages denying the existence of global warming.'

'Surprisingly, none of the four major positive messages changed participants’ core beliefs about climate change. Further, when the negative messages were presented, people were more apt to doubt the existence of climate change – and this was true of both conservatives and liberals.

“That’s the power of the denial message,” said McCright, associate professor in MSU’s Lyman Briggs College and Department of Sociology. [url]“It’s extremely difficult to change the minds of people who oppose climate change, in part because they are so entrenched in their views[/url].” '

http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2015/climate-change-foes-winning-public-opinion-war...

All of the authors are Sociologists, NOT environmental scientists.

Positive messages can change believers minds about climate change but not vice versa.

Sociologists of the world unite. We need gravy.
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Reply #1 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 1:50pm
 
How can you “oppose” AGW? It is happening and we are causing it.
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Reply #2 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 1:50pm:
How can you “oppose” AGW? It is happening and we are causing it.


Nope, (natural) climate change is happening, as it always has, and we 'might' possibly be adding to it, slightly.
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Reply #3 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 2:29pm
 
That is just garbage!

AGW is happening now and we are causing it.

Proceed from here.
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Reply #4 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 2:36pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:
That is just garbage!

AGW is happening now and we are causing it.

Proceed from here.



Prove it beyond doubt first...
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Reply #5 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 3:01pm
 
I am no longer going to waste time on conservatives frightened by change. I have tried in the past and it doesn’t change their mind because FEAR overrides it.

Leave it as this:

CO2 is a greenhouse gas
Increasing GHG concentrations in the atmosphere increases the greenhouse effect.
As we increase the greenhouse effect the earth grows hotter.
The earth has been growing hotter: 2015 will be the world’s hottest year on record.

So increasing CO2 increases the globes temperatures.

Now, you will make up a little fairy story to belittle all that. The FEAR is still there and so is the FEAR AGW is happening! Happy Christmass!
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Reply #6 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 3:08pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 3:01pm:
I am no longer going to waste time on conservatives frightened by change. I have tried in the past and it doesn’t change their mind because FEAR overrides it.

Leave it as this:

CO2 is a greenhouse gas
Increasing GHG concentrations in the atmosphere increases the greenhouse effect.
As we increase the greenhouse effect the earth grows hotter.
The earth has been growing hotter: 2015 will be the world’s hottest year on record.

So increasing CO2 increases the globes temperatures.

Now, you will make up a little fairy story to belittle all that. The FEAR is still there and so is the FEAR AGW is happening! Happy Christmass!


And that is pure supposition.....unproven theory.

As for 2015 being the "hottest year on record"..so what, the 'record' only goes back 130 years or so.


All of which means, you can't actual find any solid proof to back up your personal belief that "AGW exists and we are causing it"??
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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 3:29pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 3:08pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 3:01pm:
I am no longer going to waste time on conservatives frightened by change. I have tried in the past and it doesn’t change their mind because FEAR overrides it.

Leave it as this:

CO2 is a greenhouse gas
Increasing GHG concentrations in the atmosphere increases the greenhouse effect.
As we increase the greenhouse effect the earth grows hotter.
The earth has been growing hotter: 2015 will be the world’s hottest year on record.

So increasing CO2 increases the globes temperatures.

Now, you will make up a little fairy story to belittle all that. The FEAR is still there and so is the FEAR AGW is happening! Happy Christmass!


And that is pure supposition.....unproven theory.

As for 2015 being the "hottest year on record"..so what, the 'record' only goes back 130 years or so.


All of which means, you can't actual find any solid proof to back up your personal belief that "AGW exists and we are causing it"??

Gizmo doesn't even know what word 'proof' means.


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Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 3:30pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 2:36pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 2:29pm:
That is just garbage!

AGW is happening now and we are causing it.

Proceed from here.



Prove it beyond doubt first...

To who?

Wink Wink Wink

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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 3:32pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 1:50pm:
How can you “oppose” AGW? It is happening and we are causing it.


Nope, (natural) climate change is happening, as it always has, and we 'might' possibly be adding to it, slightly.

Let us all give the great gizmo three cheers for bringing his version of quantitative argument to the table!

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Reply #10 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 4:13pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 3:01pm:
I am no longer going to waste time on conservatives frightened by change. I have tried in the past and it doesn’t change their mind because FEAR overrides it.

Leave it as this:

CO2 is a greenhouse gas
Increasing GHG concentrations in the atmosphere increases the greenhouse effect.
As we increase the greenhouse effect the earth grows hotter.
The earth has been growing hotter: 2015 will be the world’s hottest year on record.

So increasing CO2 increases the globes temperatures.

Now, you will make up a little fairy story to belittle all that. The FEAR is still there and so is the FEAR AGW is happening! Happy Christmass!



And the earth isn't a greenhouse. There is no convection in a greenhouse.
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Reply #11 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 4:45pm
 
I didn’t say the Earth was a greenhouse.

I said there was a greenhouse effect from higher and higher concentrations of CO2 (and methane, water (clouds) and nitrous oxide. . .) and there is, temperatures keep on rising. The man on the land knows that, he has had to change practises, the genetics of what he grows be it wheat or cattle. It is only frightened little boys in the cities, paralysed by fear of change, who try to deny it. Meh! Grown ups face the challenges coming their way.
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Reply #12 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 4:52pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 4:45pm:
I didn’t say the Earth was a greenhouse.

I said there was a greenhouse effect from higher and higher concentrations of CO2 (and methane, water (clouds) and nitrous oxide. . .) and there is, temperatures keep on rising. The man on the land knows that, he has had to change practises, the genetics of what he grows be it wheat or cattle. It is only frightened little boys in the cities, paralysed by fear of change, who try to deny it. Meh! Grown ups face the challenges coming their way.


You mean the Greens???
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Reply #13 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 5:17pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 4:45pm:
I didn’t say the Earth was a greenhouse.

I said there was a greenhouse effect from higher and higher concentrations of CO2 (and methane, water (clouds) and nitrous oxide. . .) and there is, temperatures keep on rising.



Ah, A Clayton's greenhouse.

' and there is, temperatures keep on rising' - you do know correlation is not causation, don't you.
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Reply #14 - Dec 3rd, 2015 at 5:25pm
 
CO2 (etc) is a greenhouse gas. while we keep emitting CO2 etc into the atmosphere we are increasing the greenhouse effect.

Those who are scared of change say “No no, cannot be, I cannot change my way of life, I will just pretend it isn’t happening” but that is no way for an adult to be.

Are you an adult lee or a scared little pumpkin?
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