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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #60 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 8:19pm And yet, the man on the land is coping with what lunatics say isn’t happening
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #61 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 9:16pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 8:19pm: And yet, the man on the land is coping with what lunatics say isn’t happening No Monk, the man on the land is coping with natural climatic changes.... The lunatics are the ones talking about AGW
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #62 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 9:32pm With the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere increasing we can call increasing temperatures AGW with perfect confidence.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #63 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 9:47pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 9:32pm: With the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere increasing we can call increasing temperatures AGW with perfect confidence. No you can't. There is still no definitive proof that human Co2 has anything to do with increasing temperatures.
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Reply #64 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 10:18pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 9:32pm:

With the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere increasing we can call increasing temperatures AGW with perfect confidence.

This might burst your little bubble

New paper demonstrates temperature drives CO2 levels, not man-made CO2

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A recent paper published in Nature Climate Change finds a disconnect between man-made CO2 and atmospheric levels of CO2, demonstrating that despite a sharp 25% increase in man-made CO2 emissions since 2003, the growth rate in atmospheric CO2 has slowed sharply since 2002/2003. The data shows that while the growth rate of man-made emissions was relatively stable from 1990-2003, the growth rate of atmospheric CO2 surged up to the record El Nino of 1997-1998. Conversely, growth in man-made emissions surged ~25% from 2003-2011, but the change in the growth rate of atmospheric CO2 has flatlined since 1999 along with global temperatures. The data demonstrates temperature drives CO2 levels due to ocean outgassing, man-made CO2 does not drive temperature, and that man is not the primary cause of the rise in CO2 levels.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/new-paper-demonstrates-temperature....

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21590 Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #65 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 10:35pm The paper here - http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n5/full/nclimate1817.html
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Reply #66 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:28am

This is the abstract, doesn’t support the denialists’ version:

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International efforts to limit global warming and ocean acidification aim to slow the growth of atmospheric CO2, guided primarily by national and industry estimates of production and consumption of fossil fuels. Atmospheric verification of emissions is vital but present global inversion methods are inadequate for this purpose. We demonstrate a clear response in atmospheric CO2 coinciding with a sharp 2010 increase in Asian emissions but show persisting slowing mean CO2 growth from 2002/03. Growth and inter-hemispheric concentration difference during the onset and recovery of the Global Financial Crisis support a previous speculation that the reported 2000–2008 emissions surge is an artefact, most simply explained by a cumulative underestimation (~ 9 Pg C) of 1994–2007 emissions; in this case, post-2000 emissions would track mid-range of Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change emission scenarios. An alternative explanation requires changes in the northern terrestrial land sink that offset anthropogenic emission changes. We suggest atmospheric methods to help resolve this ambiguity.

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Reply #67 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 9:57am

"Your Complete Guide to the Climate Debate
At the Paris conference, expect an agreement that is sufficiently vague and noncommittal for all countries to claim victory.

In February President Obama said, a little carelessly, that climate change is a greater threat than terrorism. Next week he will be in Paris, a city terrorized yet again by mass murderers, for a summit with other world leaders on climate change, not terrorism. What precisely makes these world leaders so convinced that climate change is a more urgent and massive threat than the incessant rampages of Islamist violence?

It cannot be what is happening to world temperatures, because they have gone up only very slowly, less than half as fast as the scientific consensus predicted in 1990 when the global-warming scare began in earnest. Even with this year’s El Niño-boosted warmth threatening to break records, the world is barely half a degree Celsius (0.9 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than it was about 35 years ago. Also, it is increasingly clear that the planet was significantly warmer than today several times during the past 10,000 years."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/your-complete-guide-to-the-climate-debate-1448656890

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #68 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:13am Quoting a Murdoch rag does not boost your credentials I bet you think the MTM will be great and cost only $56Bn?
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #69 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:29am Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:13am: Quoting a Murdoch rag does not boost your credentials I bet you think the MTM will be great and cost only $56Bn? The MTM???
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Reply #70 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:47am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:28am:

This is the abstract, doesn’t support the denialists’ version:

The abstract doesn't support much of anything. except -

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:28am:

We suggest atmospheric methods to help resolve this ambiguity.

aka- send more money

Of course this is just the abstract. Perhaps you could buy the paper to validate what your assertion?

Figure 2: Measurements of atmospheric CO2.

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n5/full/nclimate1817.html

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Reply #71 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 11:15am

“How many of the estimated other 39,999 persons attending the COP-21 talks in Paris will be aware that that when they descend from the Eiffel observation deck to the ground they will experience a warming of about 1.8 degree Celsius?”

“This is about twice the claimed global surface warming since the industrial revolution, based on thermometer measurements, yet very few tourists are observed to be shedding clothing against the increased heat as they dismount the tower at ground level.”
http://jennifermarohasy.com/2015/11/bob-carter-warms-with-eiffel-tower-descent/

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #72 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 12:31pm *The Great Soren has entered this holy place with his engineering proposals of genius*
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Reply #73 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 12:35pm

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

“How many of the estimated other 39,999 persons attending the COP-21 talks in Paris will be aware that that when they descend from the Eiffel observation deck to the ground they will experience a warming of about 1.8 degree Celsius?”

“This is about twice the claimed global surface warming since the industrial revolution, based on thermometer measurements, yet very few tourists are observed to be shedding clothing against the increased heat as they dismount the tower at ground level.”
http://jennifermarohasy.com/2015/11/bob-carter-warms-with-eiffel-tower-descent/

http://jennifermarohasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/EiffelTower2.jpg

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Reply #74 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:20pm

Soren doesn’t understand physics, mathematics or common sense.

When temperatures increase with time, as they are, extreme temperatures increase by a lot more than the average increase and stays there for longer.

For the same reason a small increase in sea level can see more and bigger floods.

So his stupid Eiffel tower fable means Jack Schidt!

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