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Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable?
Reply #45 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 10:57am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

In the meantime farmers, who are on the frontline of AGW are changing practices as AGW keeps hitting their properties. ABC24 just now.

Sorry to burst your bubble monk. Despite what the ABC might want you to believe, most real farmers (the ones on multi-generational farms) do NOT accept the idea of human action being entirely, or even mostly, responsible for the temperature variations in the last 100 or so years.

Older farmers in the better areas may not notice, but the younger farmers do. Also the facts about vintage and more heat tolerant grape varieties being planted are true.

AGW is hitting Australia and we need to take notice and formulate some practical plans of action. We can no longer tolerate those fearful of any change holding us back! It is not just the ABC, at the Open Day at Saltram winery (near Angaston in the Barossa Valley with vineyards on the valley floor, the slopes at the Eastern end and in Eden Valley) we were told that on the valley floor white wine varieties were producing wines with lots of fruit but no finesse and that is why Fiano was being planted in their place. The intervals between ripening of different varieties/regions was shortening, causing some problems.

YOU can go through life with your eyes closed but I will keep my eyes open!

As I said, vineyards are being planted in Tassie and the UK because the mainland/France is getting too hot to grow the grapes to make really fine wines.

Which the Romans did in the north of Britain almost 2000 yrs ago. Grin

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Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable?
Reply #46 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:05am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

No, farmers are moving to new, more heat tolerant breeds whether plant or animal. Vignorons are having to innovate to off set the effect of warming on their vineyards etc.

You may want to go through life with both eyes closed, I don’t.

It's lcalled plant breeding, been doing it for 1000's of years, you seem to think everyone is as one dimensional as you.

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Bobby. Moderator Online Australian Politics Posts: 122278 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #47 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:15am watch this video - you will see that the figures about warming are fake - you've been conned & so have 99% of most people:
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #48 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:25am Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:15am: watch this video - you will see that the figures about warming are fake - you've been conned & so have 99% of most people: And yet our farmers are busy adapting to AGW. Weird, eh Booby?
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Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable?
Reply #49 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:34am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

watch this video -

you will see that the figures about warming are fake -

you've been conned & so have 99% of most people:

And yet our farmers are busy adapting to AGW. Weird, eh Bobby?

Very weird.

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Reply #50 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:41am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

watch this video -

you will see that the figures about warming are fake -

you've been conned & so have 99% of most people:

And yet our farmers are busy adapting to AGW. Weird, eh Booby?

Farmers are doing the same thing they have always done Monk. They are adapting to climactic variations, that doesn't mean AGW.

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Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable?
Reply #51 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 12:30pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

No, farmers are moving to new, more heat tolerant breeds whether plant or animal. Vignorons are having to innovate to off set the effect of warming on their vineyards etc.

You may want to go through life with both eyes closed, I don’t.

Australia is not the perfect place for vineyard and climate changes, moves around. It is not the exact same every single season. As for getting more resistant this and that, it is an obvious move to make sure you don't get failed crops like your older farmers did. Learn from their knowledge.

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Reply #52 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 1:42pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:41am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

watch this video -

you will see that the figures about warming are fake -

you've been conned & so have 99% of most people:

And yet our farmers are busy adapting to AGW. Weird, eh Booby?

Farmers are doing the same thing they have always done Monk. They are adapting to climactic variations, that doesn't mean AGW.

When they adapt to always increasing heat we can say it is AGW they are adjusting to. Try opening your eyes.

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Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable?
Reply #53 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 1:57pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 1:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:41am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

watch this video -

you will see that the figures about warming are fake -

you've been conned & so have 99% of most people:

And yet our farmers are busy adapting to AGW. Weird, eh Booby?

Farmers are doing the same thing they have always done Monk. They are adapting to climactic variations, that doesn't mean AGW.

When they adapt to always increasing heat we can say it is AGW they are adjusting to. Try opening your eyes.

And when they adapt to increasing AND decreasing heat, we can say it's not AGW. Try to open your mind.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #54 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 2:09pm Temps are increasing. Open your eyes!
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #55 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 2:23pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 2:09pm: Temps are increasing. Open your eyes! Yep, and before that, they had decreased. Open your mind!
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable? Reply #56 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 4:22pm That was 14000 years ago. Temperatures are increasing, not surprising with all the GHGs we have emitted since about 1850. Farmers are already having to change practices because of the increasing temperatures.
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Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable?
Reply #57 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:07pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

That was 14000 years ago. Temperatures are increasing, not surprising with all the GHGs we have emitted since about 1850. Farmers are already having to change practices because of the increasing temperatures.

No it wasn't monk...it was less than 100 years ago. The temperatures rose by about 0.3C from around 1935 and dropped back down to -0.1C from around 1945 and did it all over again in the mid 1950s, the mid 1960s etc.

All that is happening is that the temperatures are rising from the Little Ice Age lows, back toward the MWP temperatures and will drop back again, as has happened repeatedly through recent human history.

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Re: Is 2 Degrees Heating Acceptable?
Reply #59 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:50pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

The Great gizmo has spoken ladies and gentlemen

The gizmo Analysis is in

We must all lower our heads to the Great Gizmo.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/61/f4/fb/61f4fbb3939a385334683b3c2915f...

Absolutely. And the Gizmo Analysis is far more accurate than the Chimp or Monk versions... Cheesy

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