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Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:12am
 
Undecided2015 will likely be the hottest year on record, according to a preliminary analysis released by the World Meteorological Organization. Worldwide temperatures are expected for the first time to reach more than 1℃ above pre-industrial temperatures.

The five years from 2011-2015 will also likely be the hottest five-year period on record. Average global atmospheric CO₂ concentrations over three months also hit 400 parts per million for the first time during the southern hemisphere Autumn this year. On top of this, we are experiencing one of the strongest El Niño events ever recorded.

According to Dr Karl Braganza, head of climate monitoring at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, these climate milestones are both symbolic and highly significant.

“One degree is half way to the 2 degree guardrail of warming that the global community is aiming for in terms of future climate change,” Dr Braganza said.

“400 parts per million of CO₂ in the atmosphere is a composition that the climate system has not likely seen in probably the past 2.5 million years.”

In Australia, 2015 is likely to fall into the top 10 warmest years on record, all of which have occurred this century.

Dr Braganza said that record breaking hot weather was now six times more likely than it was early last century. Meanwhile, the oceans continue to warm at an alarming rate.

“About 90% of the additional heat from the advanced greenhouse effect goes into warming the oceans,” he said.

This is particularly worrying as any change to sea temperature is potentially very significant in terms of impacts on Australia’s weather, from droughts to flooding rains.

Dr David Karoly, Professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of Melbourne, said that there was little doubt as to the cause of the warming.

“It is now all but certain that 2015 will be the hottest year since record keeping began.

“The new record high global temperature in 2015 is mainly due to human-caused global warming, with smaller contributions from El Niño and from other natural climate variations,” Dr Karoly said.

According to calculations by Karoly and colleagues as part of the World Weather Attribution Project coordinated by Climate Central, temperatures will likely reach around 1.05℃ above pre-industrial temperatures. Of this, about 1℃ can be attributed to the release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, about 0.05ºC-0.1ºC to El Niño, and about 0.02ºC to higher solar activity. The numbers don’t quite add up to 1.05℃ due to uncertainties and natural variability.

The World Meteorological Organization statement comes as world leaders are set to meet in Paris next week to begin the next round of negotiations on taking action against climate change.

https://theconversation.com/2015-to-be-hottest-year-ever-world-meteorological-or...


Why are we gambling 2 degree of heating, when we are not sure at what point human extincting runaway global warming kicks in.  Surely, drop our target to 1.5 degrees so to give humanity better odds of seeing out the century.

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Reply #1 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:41am
 
If we rely on the Greens we will have 10°C warming! Greens talk a lot but don’t really do anything, well except for opposing the CPRS and market prices for pollution permits, consequently, thanks to the Greens, there is no action against AGW in Australia today.

Bloody hypocrites!
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Reply #2 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:05am
 
____ wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:12am:
According to calculations by Karoly and colleagues as part of the World Weather Attribution Project coordinated by Climate Central, temperatures will likely reach around 1.05℃ above pre-industrial temperatures. Of this, about 1℃ can be attributed to the release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, about 0.05ºC-0.1ºC to El Niño, and about 0.02ºC to higher solar activity. The numbers don’t quite add up to 1.05℃ due to uncertainties and natural variability.




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Reply #3 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:09am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:41am:
If we rely on the Greens we will have 10°C warming! Greens talk a lot but don’t really do anything, well except for opposing the CPRS and market prices for pollution permits, consequently, thanks to the Greens, there is no action against AGW in Australia today.

Bloody hypocrites!



Labor and Coalition can coordinate an attack on renewable energy investment and jobs, and also add burning old growth forests into the reduced RET so to add even more pressure on renewables, then surely the coalition and labor could of past their negotiated ETS under Rudd.

What when wrong?
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Reply #4 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:19am
 
lee wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:05am:
____ wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:12am:
According to calculations by Karoly and colleagues as part of the World Weather Attribution Project coordinated by Climate Central, temperatures will likely reach around 1.05℃ above pre-industrial temperatures. Of this, about 1℃ can be attributed to the release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, about 0.05ºC-0.1ºC to El Niño, and about 0.02ºC to higher solar activity. The numbers don’t quite add up to 1.05℃ due to uncertainties and natural variability.




HAHAHAHA.

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Reply #5 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:21am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:41am:
If we rely on the Greens we will have 10°C warming! Greens talk a lot but don’t really do anything, well except for opposing the CPRS and market prices for pollution permits, consequently, thanks to the Greens, there is no action against AGW in Australia today.

Bloody hypocrites!


lol, there isn't much rationale there  Smiley
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Reply #6 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:31am
 
lee wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:05am:
____ wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:12am:
According to calculations by Karoly and colleagues as part of the World Weather Attribution Project coordinated by Climate Central, temperatures will likely reach around 1.05℃ above pre-industrial temperatures. Of this, about 1℃ can be attributed to the release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, about 0.05ºC-0.1ºC to El Niño, and about 0.02ºC to higher solar activity. The numbers don’t quite add up to 1.05℃ due to uncertainties and natural variability.




HAHAHAHA.

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That is hilarious. Pseudo science at its best in plain sight.
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Reply #7 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:35am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:31am:
lee wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:05am:
____ wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:12am:
According to calculations by Karoly and colleagues as part of the World Weather Attribution Project coordinated by Climate Central, temperatures will likely reach around 1.05℃ above pre-industrial temperatures. Of this, about 1℃ can be attributed to the release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, about 0.05ºC-0.1ºC to El Niño, and about 0.02ºC to higher solar activity. The numbers don’t quite add up to 1.05℃ due to uncertainties and natural variability.




HAHAHAHA.

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That is hilarious. Pseudo science at its best in plain sight.

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Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:50am
 
Is 2 degree of heating acceptable ~ the question still remains unanswered ...
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Reply #9 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:16pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:50am:
Is 2 degree of heating acceptable ~ the question still remains unanswered ...

Who knows?

It's an expediently rounded number that beckons qualitative-methodological disdain.

Sorry, my cousins an English teacher and I'm a geek Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:20pm
 
..but seriously, they probably figured 3C is bad and rounded numbers are the only way to keep the political message afloat.

Error values mean 2C could still melt the arctic and most people can't fathom that as a good thing, but 3C I'm sure would be a lot worse.

Good question of course. How long is a piece of string?
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Reply #11 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:30pm
 
If the entire world stopped fossil fuel combustion today, the "dimming" particulates would vanish in several weeks, and there would be an additional ~1 degC increase in average global temperature.

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____ wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:09am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:41am:
If we rely on the Greens we will have 10°C warming! Greens talk a lot but don’t really do anything, well except for opposing the CPRS and market prices for pollution permits, consequently, thanks to the Greens, there is no action against AGW in Australia today.

Bloody hypocrites!



Labor and Coalition can coordinate an attack on renewable energy investment and jobs, and also add burning old growth forests into the reduced RET so to add even more pressure on renewables, then surely the coalition and labor could of past their negotiated ETS under Rudd.

What when wrong?

You mean the Greens sitting on their hands when abbott attacked the RET and investment and jobs in the sector stopped dead, until Labor salvaged a smaller cut and now investment in renewable energy is going again.

Greens voted against restarting renewable energy investment and jobs. Stunts never policy, fantasy never reality. A Party for children.
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Reply #13 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:05pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:30pm:
If the entire world stopped fossil fuel combustion today, the "dimming" particulates would vanish in several weeks, and there would be an additional ~1 degC increase in average global temperature.


We're assuming, I dare say in this calculation, that the extra CO2 falls out of the sky in about 80 years.

Government departments are guessing 2050 will produce ice free-summers in the arctic.

I suppose(alright, assume  Cheesy Cheesy) they are assuming a more or less constant emissions level from now until then.

With a bit of handwaving and another swig on the double-jacks candyhol:

  - (..wait, let me check todays sea ice extent first  Shocked Shocked)

  - there have been some low numbers but it may take until 2050 to melt out,.. and then only in the summer I suspect but who the frig knows: nothing is linear! The numbers are just inside the two standard deviations boundary,... though seem to be doing sine waves around it  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes which I don't like!

   - I'd still count the situation as desperate as a summer-ice free arctic is big shite! Even if it takes until 2100, which I am appalled to be informed is simply not the reality of our situation.

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Reply #14 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:10pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:02pm:
____ wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:09am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:41am:
If we rely on the Greens we will have 10°C warming! Greens talk a lot but don’t really do anything, well except for opposing the CPRS and market prices for pollution permits, consequently, thanks to the Greens, there is no action against AGW in Australia today.

Bloody hypocrites!



Labor and Coalition can coordinate an attack on renewable energy investment and jobs, and also add burning old growth forests into the reduced RET so to add even more pressure on renewables, then surely the coalition and labor could of past their negotiated ETS under Rudd.

What when wrong?

You mean the Greens sitting on their hands when abbott attacked the RET and investment and jobs in the sector stopped dead, until Labor salvaged a smaller cut and now investment in renewable energy is going again.

Greens voted against restarting renewable energy investment and jobs. Stunts never policy, fantasy never reality. A Party for children.

Which explains why Rudd early on in the piece stole their aspirational targets for 2050, making them up their ante!

Cheesy

This separated Labor from the Libs forever...   Shocked
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