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Reply #105 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:09pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Satellite data falsification. Now fixed due to intervention by others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/12/science/earth/errors-cited-in-assessing-climat...

There are quite a few articles written about this. This is one of the earlier articles.

'The new analysis of data from weather balloons examined just one possible source of error, the direct heating of the instruments by the sun.

It found that when data were examined in a way that accounted for that effect, the temperature record produced a warming, particularly in the tropics, again putting the data in line with theory.'

So they found a new and exciting way to analyse the data. Grin

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2217 Gender:	Re: Temperature Data Adjustment Reply #106 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:20pm Two independent teams found errors in the way that Spencer and Christy processed the data. "Errors" that Christy himself acknowledged.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21603 Gender:	Re: Temperature Data Adjustment Reply #107 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:29pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:20pm: Two independent teams found errors in the way that Spencer and Christy processed the data. "Errors" that Christy himself acknowledged. Yep and there have been version updates, that account for known errors..And it is all documented. Sorry I missed the 2005 timeline.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21603 Gender:	Re: Temperature Data Adjustment Reply #108 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:31pm When was the last time NOAA documented errors?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21603 Gender:	Re: Temperature Data Adjustment Reply #109 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:45pm "Things being debated now are details about the models," said Steven Sherwood, the lead author of the paper on the balloon data and an atmospheric physicist at Yale. "Nobody is debating any more that significant climate changes are coming." From your reference, Really? The science is that settled?
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Re: Temperature Data Adjustment
Reply #110 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:53pm

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 3:29pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 3:20pm:

my internet is always intermittent

will you be apologising now or in 2 weeks time John?

I'll apologize now for the vagaries of internet reception from the sea. Grin

Keep up the ruthless (albeit undignified) pursuit of integrity.

You're on a Yacht somewhere?

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Temperature Data Adjustment Reply #111 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:56pm lee wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:31pm: When was the last time NOAA documented errors? NOAA are like your corporate mates EXXON-MOBIL and BHP etc - they dont make errors, so why document them? lee, your apologies are overdue
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21603 Gender:	Re: Temperature Data Adjustment Reply #112 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:57pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:53pm: You're on a Yacht somewhere? Probably heading to Antarctica with Turney.
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Re: Temperature Data Adjustment
Reply #113 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:03pm

From the 2005 Sherwood paper-

'The temperature difference between adjacent 0000 and 1200 UTC weather balloon (radiosonde) reports shows a pervasive tendency toward cooler daytime compared to nighttime observations since the 1970s, especially at tropical stations.'

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/309/5740/1556

But this from the IPCC -

'In the last 50 years for the land areas sampled, there has been a significant decrease in the annual occurrence of cold nights and a significant increase in the annual occurrence of warm nights (Figure 1). '

https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-3-3.html

Weird. Put differently, but the same in effect.

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Re: Temperature Data Adjustment
Reply #114 - Feb 14^th, 2016 at 6:03pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 3:29pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 3:20pm:

my internet is always intermittent

will you be apologising now or in 2 weeks time John?

I'll apologize now for the vagaries of internet reception from the sea. Grin

Keep up the ruthless (albeit undignified) pursuit of integrity.

You're on a Yacht somewhere?

I will be, as long as ex Cyclone Tatiana continues to move South.

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Reply #115 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 3:48pm

lee wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

From the 2005 Sherwood paper-

'The temperature difference between adjacent 0000 and 1200 UTC weather balloon (radiosonde) reports shows a pervasive tendency toward cooler daytime compared to nighttime observations since the 1970s, especially at tropical stations.'

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/309/5740/1556

But this from the IPCC -

'In the last 50 years for the land areas sampled, there has been a significant decrease in the annual occurrence of cold nights and a significant increase in the annual occurrence of warm nights (Figure 1). '

https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-3-3.html

Weird. Put differently, but the same in effect.

Years ago now I heard a story from an FM radio exec from a blue collar Coma FM, 'call us now for your chance to win $50' station.

Anyway it was about advertising (what a surprise) and who they got money from. Bottom line was he didn't care if none of the air lines or travel agencies advertised with them because "our listeners don't get on planes".

Seems to be the same for climate change. Deniers don't read. They watch the 6 o'clock news, youtube and email attachments.

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Re: Temperature Data Adjustment
Reply #116 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

lee wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

From the 2005 Sherwood paper-

'The temperature difference between adjacent 0000 and 1200 UTC weather balloon (radiosonde) reports shows a pervasive tendency toward cooler daytime compared to nighttime observations since the 1970s, especially at tropical stations.'

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/309/5740/1556

But this from the IPCC -

'In the last 50 years for the land areas sampled, there has been a significant decrease in the annual occurrence of cold nights and a significant increase in the annual occurrence of warm nights (Figure 1). '

https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-3-3.html

Weird. Put differently, but the same in effect.

random wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

Seems to be the same for climate change. Deniers don't read. They watch the 6 o'clock news, youtube and email attachments.

What a strange comment. My quote by Sherwood et al, is from Science, a presumably quality magazine. One which is much loved by the AGWers. And it is peer-reviewed.

The second quote is from the IPCC, also much loved by the AGWers.

So you don't think they should be taken as read?

The other funny thing about Sherwood. he didn't think the radiosonde data was very good, in fact unreliable. However, as his press release indicates, it is perfectly all right for his finding of the tropical tropospheric hotspot.

'"Using more recent data and better analysis methods we have been able to re-examine the global weather balloon network, known as radiosondes, and have found clear indications of warming in the upper troposphere," said lead author ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science Chief Investigator Prof Steve Sherwood.'

http://phys.org/news/2015-05-climate-scientists-elusive-tropospheric-hot.html#jC...

Now that is really weird.

See not a 6pm news, youtube or email. All from the published science. And if you can't see statements of climate change in that you need to upgrade your reading material. Give up your Phantom comics.

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Re: Temperature Data Adjustment
Reply #117 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 6:09am

Reading is not just cut and paste of words of convenience. Reading is about reading widely, sorting BS from facts. Anyone who challenges the scientific consensus of what is happening to our climate has either a vested interest in doing so, e.g. Big Fossil energy, Bobby, the controlled media and the like, the rest just has not done their homework. They sit back and get spoon fed content they have been trained to digest.

The poor students are in this position because the implications of climate change are outside the boundaries of their world view, they cannot and do not want to absorb it.

I have tolerance for fools and stupid people, they cannot help it in the main. I have a very low tolerance for liars e.g. the lobby groups paid to lie, and those who shill for them for a few pennies, putting the health and well being of our descendants at risk. For a few pennies.

Not doing homework is just lazy. And just like a university assignment, including unscientific references in any homework results in very low marks. Like dodgy Youtube stuff about weather extremes.

Finally, the worst part is that this lazy group always demands the highest level of peer reviewed and tested science if they take medication or give it to a loved one, but accept what quakes and charlatans say for the climate of the planet.

Faaaaarkin hypocrites.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21603 Gender:	Re: Temperature Data Adjustment Reply #118 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 11:11am random wrote on Feb 16^th, 2016 at 6:09am: Reading is about reading widely, sorting BS from facts. Which is the bs and which the facts IPCC or Sherwood and radiosonde data not good? Sherwood - peer-reviewed science. IPCC conclusions drawn from peer-reviewed science.
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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Temperature Data Adjustment Reply #119 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 5:11pm lee you have a zero score for your last assignment. Please use established science to back your rationale'. You appear confused about just what that is. Do more homework.
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