polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2
nd, 2015 at 9:35am:
Soren wrote on Dec 1
st, 2015 at 5:00pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1
st, 2015 at 3:43pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 30
th, 2015 at 7:17pm:
No Muslim is seeking refuge and settlement in another Muslim country. Partly because it's no improvement on his particuilar hell=hole, partly because his M<uslim brivvers wouldn't take him in anyway.
It's always up to the kuffar to to save the Musel from the other Musels.
Absolutely - oh except the 4 million or so that have streamed into Turkey and Jordan and the Gulf from Syria - and counting. And not mentioning the 1.5 million AFghans seeking refuge
and settlement
in Pakistan, and we definitely won't mention the 100s of thousands of Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees who fled to Malaysia and Indonesia.
Tell me S, when you serve up such tripe day in day out, are you thinking stupidity or mendatiousness?
"and settlement", eh?? They want to start a new life in Pakistan just when the Pakistanis are streaming into Europe. And Malaysia and Indonesia are now settling Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees. How humanitarian. They apparently wouldn't settle Iraqis and Iranians and Afghans so those guys had to set sail for the Great Southern Kuffarland and now also for Europe.
You do have some evidence of this "and settlement" claim, I hope. Please share it with us.
Sure, the "evidence" is the fact that millions of displaced muslims are now living and working and schooling their kids in foreign muslim countries. Most refugees are not looking to start a new life in a far away country, most either dream of returning to their home, or are not even thinking that far ahead and are just living day by day, appreciative of the fact that they are no longer being bombed and harassed.
The "settlement" issue is an old boy staple: Muselman countries don't provide permanent settlement to "their own people". I.e, Muslims (as if religion is the deciding factor here).
True, countries like Pakistan, Jordan, Indonesia, Malaysia and others don't always issue permanent visas or passports to their refugee populations. Indonesia and Malaysia aren't signatories to the refugee convention.
But these countries house the majority of the world's refugee population. Pakistan currently has over a million refugees. It has refugees from all over Central Asia - some there from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s, some from the constant flow of Muslims from India, including Kashmir Jammu. Jordan and Lebanon have refugees from the 6 Day war, having lived there since the 1960s. And as you point out, two Muslim-majority countries that
are signatories to the refugee convention, Turkey and Lebanon, currently house over 4 million Syrian refugees between them. Nearly a quarter of Lebanon's population are refugees.
The settlement issue is an old boy ruse. Australia, a country with no land borders, does not settle refugees who arrive by boat. But comparing our own refugee intake process with the developing world is ludicrous. Australia is a nation of immigrants. Since WWII, we've relied on refugees (both European and Asian) to boost our declining population and provide economic growth.
Pakistan, by comparison, is a developing, land-locked and multi-ethnic society. In Pakistan, refugees settle along ethnic and tribal lines. Pashtuns in the north, Bolochs in the south, Punjabis in the east, and a host of other languages and racial groups that define identity in Pakistan. Pakistan does not rely on immigration to staff its economy, but Pakistan's porous borders and refugee intake define its politics and economy. One of its biggest refugee intakes, of course, was partition itself.
All the above countries have permanently settled refugees. Some of these refugees have permanent visas, some don't. Even India, a non-signatory to the UNHCR, permanently settles Tibetans, Nepalis, Sri Lankans and others, it just doesn't do this through the UNHCR, the so-called "queue". So does Indonesia, so does Malaysia, and so does Thailand, which has settled a number of tribal groups from Burma and even KMT refugees from the Chinese revolution.
To pretend the above countries don't settle refugees is mendacity of the highest order. Once again, the old boy deserves to be congratulated for his porkies. It just goes to show the difference between reality and old boy propaganda: triumphalist knucklehead opinion pieces in the Spectator and the Australian.
University of Balogney, innit.
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