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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS? Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:19pm Do I need to elaborate? We've seen plenty of movies where the hostage negotiators are called in to talk down hostage takers.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS? Reply #1 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:24pm Yes they are. Listen to these interviews with Phillip Adams (about 1 hour): https://radio.abc.net.au/search?service_guid=RN-lnl-20151116
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS? Reply #2 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:28pm Hostage Negotiators didn't work out too well at Martin Place did they? They don't want to negotiate they want to take as many out as possible then pull the plug on themselves and die a martyr.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS? Reply #3 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS? that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?
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Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?
Reply #4 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

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Reply #5 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:31pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

Do I need to elaborate?

We've seen plenty of movies where the hostage negotiators are called in to talk down hostage takers.

If they have set up a caliphate then I think you have your answer. The declaration of war is when the talking stops and only resumes when peace is being sued for!

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Reply #6 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:37pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

To not try negotiating is ludicrous: to say it was a little late because of the Martin Place saga is not rational as you would have to extend that argument to every tragedy having been preventable.

Now their colours have been shown, game on!

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Reply #7 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:40pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

To not try negotiating is ludicrous: to say it was a little late because of the Martin Place saga is not rational as you would have to extend that argument to every tragedy having been preventable.

Now their colours have been shown, game on!

I think that your brain is being held hostage by methamphetamine, would you like us to throw in a few stun grenades?

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Reply #8 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:42pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

They did it on the back of the Paris attacks: hostage negotiators proved ineffective in non-western countries before this event... but NOW their obsolescence has been made clear(hence the moral law can be safely assumed) in a Western Country that holds freedom of religion as a corner stone!

Freedom of religion
is what is seen as the line that has been ultimately crossed and is, as such, being defended!

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Reply #9 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:44pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

To not try negotiating is ludicrous: to say it was a little late because of the Martin Place saga is not rational as you would have to extend that argument to every tragedy having been preventable.

Now their colours have been shown, game on!

I think that your brain is being held hostage by methamphetamine, would you like us to throw in a few stun grenades?

meth is boring: Wink

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Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?
Reply #10 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:48pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

To not try negotiating is ludicrous: to say it was a little late because of the Martin Place saga is not rational as you would have to extend that argument to every tragedy having been preventable.

Now their colours have been shown, game on!

I think that your brain is being held hostage by methamphetamine, would you like us to throw in a few stun grenades?

Would we see any difference?

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33013 Gender:	Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS? Reply #11 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:51pm Yes ..... a waste of time.
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Sun Tzu Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1148 Gender:	Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS? Reply #12 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:14pm Negotiators should be trained not to lose their heads.
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Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?
Reply #13 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:23pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

Don't agree generally ... hostage takers often do so on a whim, they panic and grab someone hostage, and they are more often than not, talked out peacefully

Suicide bombers however are a different kettle of fish. There is no talking, they just want to kill as many as possible.

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Reply #14 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:03am

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:23pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

Don't agree generally ... hostage takers often do so on a whim, they panic and grab someone hostage, and they are more often than not, talked out peacefully

Suicide bombers however are a different kettle of fish. There is no talking, they just want to kill as many as possible.

Not these hostage takers it's not on a whim ... it's planned .......

and their intent is the same as suicide bombers.

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