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Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?
Reply #15 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:49am

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:23pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

Don't agree generally ... hostage takers often do so on a whim, they panic and grab someone hostage, and they are more often than not, talked out peacefully

Suicide bombers however are a different kettle of fish. There is no talking, they just want to kill as many as possible.

And if potential hostage takes know that a bullet to the head is coming quick, they will end it very quickly.

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Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?
Reply #16 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:41am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:49am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:23pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

Don't agree generally ... hostage takers often do so on a whim, they panic and grab someone hostage, and they are more often than not, talked out peacefully

Suicide bombers however are a different kettle of fish. There is no talking, they just want to kill as many as possible.

And if potential hostage takes know that a bullet to the head is coming quick, they will end it very quickly.

it they were thinking rationally, they wouldn't have taken a hostage in the first place now would they! Cheesy

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Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?
Reply #17 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:44am

Gnads wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:03am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:23pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

that's the whole reasoning behind NSW police's decision to change it's policy to shoot first, ask questions later ... isn't it?

A little late, but at least they have finally worked it out. If you are armed and holding hostages then your life is forfeit. They might try to negotiate but after 20 mins if nothing is happening, the next sound you hear will be your last.

Don't agree generally ... hostage takers often do so on a whim, they panic and grab someone hostage, and they are more often than not, talked out peacefully

Suicide bombers however are a different kettle of fish. There is no talking, they just want to kill as many as possible.

Not these hostage takers it's not on a whim ... it's planned .......

and their intent is the same as suicide bombers.

Who is 'these'?

Most cases you hear on the news are a father who snaps and holds his kids hostage, or a husband who holds his wife hostage etc ... there are very few planned hostage takers in Australia that I can recall. When was the last one before Monis?

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Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?
Reply #18 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:14am

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Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?

Perhaps you should stick to the point in question.

Was Australia specified?

The recent Mali incident puts paid to your references to Australian domestic violence scenarios which are totally irrelevant to ISIS .....

Nick Berg & other hostages taken in Syria & surrounds of the ME .... were all hostages that were taken & killed deliberately.

So does that explain who "these" hostage takers are?

It should Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:31am

I doubt you could negotiate with these people. Obama is merely playing for time while building up an international response, while appearing to hold out the olive branch, thus taking the high moral ground from killers of innocents, and encouraging the ROTCW (Rest Of The Civilised World) to join hands with him.

Once that is achieved, a massive strike would demolish the Islamic State on the ground, but would still leave the adherents, who would then need to be hunted down. Casualties will be incurred, both civilian and military, but I see little to no choice. To do otherwise is to accept civilian casualties without retaliation and without seeking to prevent the majority of them by striking down the viper.

The view that they are only killing their own people in the IS homeland, and that is acceptable, is repugnant to any civilised person.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS? Reply #20 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:37am A massive strike is going on now and probably killing many innocent people going about their miserable lives. Ground war is the only answer to the Syria/Iraq IS situation but that leaves thousands round the world who will carry on.
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Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS?
Reply #21 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:06am

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:37am:

A massive strike is going on now and probably killing many innocent people going about their miserable lives. Ground war is the only answer to the Syria/Iraq IS situation but that leaves thousands round the world who will carry on.

Air strikes are a necessary precursor to reduce Allied casualties. Some would argue that those who are left there could have fled and therefore are at least warm towards ISIL. The moment massive forces are assembled, the IS fighters will disperse and then become hard to track down. I'm sure there is a strategic plan in place for bombings..........

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Are hostage negotiators obsolete against ISIS? Reply #22 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:23am Gnads wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:14am: Perhaps you should stick to the point in question. Was Australia specified? Given that the conversation was following on from a comment about NSW police, Yes Australia was specified.
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