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Re: THIS is why Turnbull is not the man for the job
Reply #135 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:23pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 9:51pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:33pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please!


Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents.



Air warfare alone cannot win a war. It can be argued that it was not the two A bombs that got Japan to surrender but the fact the Russians were on the way to seize some Japanese islands.

Instead of us charging in and making things worse (losing the peace) why not help the Kurds by supplying them the heavy weapons they lack?




hey the yanks did that in Afghanistan when Russia invaded.... and look at the abuse the lefties have dumped on them ever since...

now you are suggesting they arm another group of Muslims...your nuts you know that?..
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Reply #136 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:38pm
 
Kurds are the good guys.
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Reply #137 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:43am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 8:24pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm:
The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam. 

This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces.


They can, but it all depends on the politicians back home taking the brakes off political correctness and the Marquis of Queensbury rules. Vietnam and Iraq had swarms of Western Leftwing journalists trawling these countries for anti-US and anti-Western atrocity stories. Beat-ups were the currency of the day. The Guardian, the ABC, The Sydney Morning Herald and others pleaded with their journalists to send footage that would throw the worst possible light on the allied troops.

And they obliged in spades.

These journalists have yet to be brought to justice.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm:
Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan.


Rabid nonsense, of course, but being an anti-Western Lefty I'm quite sure you cherish that myth as no doubt you also cherish the prospect of Western civilisation being trodden underfoot in Europe by the Mohammedans.

It was the relentless day-and-night bombing of Germany by the US and the Brits that gutted the arms factories, the transportation networks (Dresden was an important hub), and laid waste to much of Germany that allowed the Russians a fairly easy advance into the heartland and finally Berlin.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm:
John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it.


Grin Grin Grin

The Politics of The Willing - yes, I'll agree with that. If this Paris incident has proven anything, it's that the French leadership has until now been practicing the Politics of The Unwilling while mouthing assurances to their citizens.

Hollande nearly got his arse burnt - and as I've said time and time again - until politicians themselves are put in danger their efforts will remain half-hearted and full of apologist platitudes and rhetoric just as Turnbull has excelled at since this Paris bombing.

I'm wondering if there are many hijabs being worn in Paris lately, and are they still having those prayer meetings in the streets?


I don't know what you're smoking nowadays, but you might think of using a filter or suckng through cleansing water in a hookah pipe apparatus. (Consult Marla for the details).


Yes, Herbie, they said all this in WWI. We just need more resolve, more courage. Stiff upper lip, what.

And yet, no matter how many men you sent into the machine guns, the lines never changed.

We’ve now been fighting the war on terror in one form or another for three times the duration of the war to end all wars.
And yet, we’ve achieved nothing.


This isn’t the failure of the rules, it’s the failure of war itself. We dropped more TNT on Indochina than was used by both sides in WWII. If you think this is restraint or some form of PC enemy-appeasing, you must be shell shocked.

I don't think that's accurate.

Because ISIS have next to no air power this is why the coalition of the willing is using it: the potential recruits of ISIS cannot but see the difference, when push comes to shove, of who has the firepower.

A system always wins... you are saying we have no system perhaps?
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Re: THIS is why Turnbull is not the man for the job
Reply #138 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:47am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 9:51pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:33pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please!


Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents.



Air warfare alone cannot win a war. It can be argued that it was not the two A bombs that got Japan to surrender but the fact the Russians were on the way to seize some Japanese islands.

Instead of us charging in and making things worse (losing the peace) why not help the Kurds by supplying them the heavy weapons they lack?

The two a-bombs sued for peace!

Did I just say that ??
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Re: THIS is why Turnbull is not the man for the job
Reply #139 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:35pm
 
Well, there we are.

Turnbull's Great Speech to the Nation about fighting terrorism.

Cutting through the grandstanding and the oratory, the 'message' told us nothing more than that he believes Abbott was playing 'Macho Man' with the issue when he was PM, and that Turnbull disapproves of this hard stance against the threat that faces every one of us upon the streets of Australia.

This is the Turnbull who has just appointed a woman to be the Defence Minister - and who removed hard man Peter Dutton from a permanent position on the Security Council - and who took Scott Morrison away from Immigration and Refugees, and then sorting out the dole bludgers.

Turnbull has been sliding towards the Left ever since he rolled Abbott into the gutter of history. Any further Left and he may as well sit on the Opposition benches.

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