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Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:01am
 
Victorian teachers could receive millions in repayments over 'unlawful' laptop leasing scheme

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Thousands of Victorian teachers who were forced to lease laptops to use in classrooms could be repaid more than $20 million from the State Government after a landmark Federal Court ruling.

The vast majority of Victoria's 50,000 teachers are forced by the Department of Education to lease laptops for use in the classroom, with the money coming directly out of their pay.

Teachers are charged between $4 and $17 per fortnight for the computers and the deductions are not tax deductable, or part of a salary sacrificing program.

But in a decision that could have implications for teachers across the country, the Federal Court ruled the fortnightly deductions were unlawful.

The Australian Education Union's (AEU) Victorian president Meredith Peace said she was thrilled with the result.

"This is a landmark case for the Federal Court to rule that the Government, since 2009 has been making unlawful deductions from principals and teachers' pay packets, is a very significant decision indeed," she said.

Laptop leasing scheme deemed 'unreasonable'


The union launched the case two years ago, asking that teachers be reimbursed the money they had paid to lease computers since 2009, when the Fair Work Act came into place.

Under the act, an employer cannot force an employee to spend money in a particular way if it is deemed "unreasonable".

Federal Court Justice Mordecai Bromberg ruled the Victorian Department of Education's laptop scheme was in fact unreasonable.

He noted that teachers could not choose whether to participate in the program, that the cost was excessive, and the deductions were not principally for the benefit of teachers.

"The use of the equipment is primarily there for the Department of Education," Ms Peace said.

"We'll be seeking back pay and interest on that payment that teachers have had to make over the past six or so years."

A spokeswoman for the Department of Education said the court's decision was being considered.

Union assessing implications for teachers across Australia


Similar laptop leasing schemes are in place in other states and Ms Peace said the court ruling could have implications in other jurisdictions - particularly New South Wales and Western Australia.

"Our AEU colleagues across the country will be looking at this result very closely," she said.

Teacher Carly Marie Clark has been in the job for about nine years and could be set to receive about $1,500 in repayments.

She said teachers would not be able to function without their laptops and was pleased the court had recognised that.

"Any other work situation obviously their tools are provided ... so I think we should definitely be getting provided them," she said.
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Teachers are charged between $4 and $17 per fortnight for the computers and the deductions are not tax deductable,


Why not?
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Reply #2 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:43am
 
Swagman wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:18am:
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Teachers are charged between $4 and $17 per fortnight for the computers and the deductions are not tax deductable,


Why not?


Don't know but as a work related deduction maybe it was taken out of pre tax dollars like a salary sacrifice ?

Just a guess.
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Reply #3 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:50am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:43am:
Swagman wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:18am:
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Teachers are charged between $4 and $17 per fortnight for the computers and the deductions are not tax deductable,


Why not?


Don't know but as a work related deduction maybe it was taken out of pre tax dollars like a salary sacrifice ?

Just a guess.


My wife's school paid for her laptop. We aren't in Vic.
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Reply #4 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:53am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:43am:
Swagman wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:18am:
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Teachers are charged between $4 and $17 per fortnight for the computers and the deductions are not tax deductable,


Why not?


Don't know but as a work related deduction maybe it was taken out of pre tax dollars like a salary sacrifice ?

Just a guess.


My wife's school paid for her laptop. We aren't in Vic.


I paid for all my laptops, desktops, tablets and servers. Why does everyone else expect to get theirs for free ?
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Reply #5 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 11:03am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:53am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:43am:
Swagman wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:18am:
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Teachers are charged between $4 and $17 per fortnight for the computers and the deductions are not tax deductable,


Why not?


Don't know but as a work related deduction maybe it was taken out of pre tax dollars like a salary sacrifice ?

Just a guess.


My wife's school paid for her laptop. We aren't in Vic.


I paid for all my laptops, desktops, tablets and servers. Why does everyone else expect to get theirs for free ?


If I go to work for Greyhound, am I expected to buy my own coach? If I go to work for Westpac, am I expected to buy my own data terminal? If I go to work at a school and need a computer as part of my job, should I be expected to pay for that?
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Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 11:27am
 
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Under the act, an employer cannot force an employee to spend money in a particular way if it is deemed "unreasonable".

Federal Court Justice Mordecai Bromberg ruled the Victorian Department of Education's laptop scheme was in fact unreasonable.

He noted that teachers could not choose whether to participate in the program, that the cost was excessive, and the deductions were not principally for the benefit of teachers.


Sounds just like income tax. 

You can't choose whether to participate, the cost is certainly excessive and the deductions are not principally for the benefit of the payer...... Huh

I'd like all my income tax reimbursed since 2009 as well thanks Judge.... Cheesy
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Reply #7 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:10pm
 
Well Swag, join a union and make the case in the legal arena.
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stunspore wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:10pm:
Well Swag, join a union and make the case in the legal arena. 


One doesn't need to be a comrade in a labour cartel to make a case in the legal arena.
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Reply #9 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:49pm
 
I thought that every student and teacher had a government provided laptop courtesy of Rudd and Swan?

Of course that plan failed. Everything those two fools touched turned to disaster - like the economy and the budget and the debt ....
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Reply #10 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:49pm
 
The ordinary person probably doesn't have the financial resources the do so though.  So did the union did something wrong again?
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stunspore wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:49pm:
The ordinary person probably doesn't have the financial resources the do so though.  So did the union did something wrong again?


There are lots of tax payers so a class action would be the go.  The blood sucking lawyers Ambulance Chasers can go pro-bono.
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forced to lease laptops illegally

Where do you lease illegal laptops ?
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Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:52pm:
forced to lease laptops illegally

Where do you lease illegal laptops ?


It does sound like a bit of an over-statement!
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Reply #14 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:37pm
 
I can't believe that a Victorian public school teacher even knows how to use a laptop.
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innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
I can't believe that a Victorian public school teacher even knows how to use a laptop.


They know how to use the left arrows and are pretty good with backspace. The right arrow is still a mystery.
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mariacostel wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 3:08pm:
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
I can't believe that a Victorian public school teacher even knows how to use a laptop.


They know how to use the left arrows and are pretty good with backspace. The right arrow is still a mystery.

I see the usual trolls are not taking the topic seriously.
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Bam wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 4:11pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 3:08pm:
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
I can't believe that a Victorian public school teacher even knows how to use a laptop.


They know how to use the left arrows and are pretty good with backspace. The right arrow is still a mystery.

I see the usual trolls are not taking the topic seriously.


You are a true lefty - not a humorous bone in your body. And the think that it all began under the evil Victorian Labor government!
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innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
I can't believe that a Victorian public school teacher even knows how to use a laptop.


Yet another pointless post which doesn't advance the conversation.
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innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
I can't believe that a Victorian public school teacher even knows how to use a laptop.


I can't believe you know what a school teacher is.

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mariacostel wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 4:16pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 4:11pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 3:08pm:
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
I can't believe that a Victorian public school teacher even knows how to use a laptop.


They know how to use the left arrows and are pretty good with backspace. The right arrow is still a mystery.

I see the usual trolls are not taking the topic seriously.


You are a true lefty - not a humorous bone in your body. And the think that it all began under the evil Victorian Labor government!

I see you are attempting to defend your puerile crap with a lame personal attack.

Grow up.
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Reply #21 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 8:22pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:53am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:43am:
Swagman wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:18am:
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Teachers are charged between $4 and $17 per fortnight for the computers and the deductions are not tax deductable,


Why not?


Don't know but as a work related deduction maybe it was taken out of pre tax dollars like a salary sacrifice ?

Just a guess.


My wife's school paid for her laptop. We aren't in Vic.


I paid for all my laptops, desktops, tablets and servers. Why does everyone else expect to get theirs for free ?


Because they are work tools.
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Reply #22 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 9:35pm
 
stunspore wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 5:59pm:
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:37pm:
I can't believe that a Victorian public school teacher even knows how to use a laptop.


Yet another pointless post which doesn't advance the conversation.




Its a valid point, public education has been hijacked by the idiot left and as any idiot left jackass will tell you the first order of business of the idiot left is to drag everyone else down to the level of the stupidest person in the room.

Leftism is a war against the smart, if a teacher showed up that was a master of laptop use this teacher would quickly be brought down to the level of the rest of the teachers that were laptop amateurs.

If there is one thing that the idiot left will not abide its a smart person making the rest of them look silly.
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So pointless....
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Reply #24 - Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:32pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:53am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:43am:
Swagman wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:18am:
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Teachers are charged between $4 and $17 per fortnight for the computers and the deductions are not tax deductable,


Why not?


Don't know but as a work related deduction maybe it was taken out of pre tax dollars like a salary sacrifice ?

Just a guess.


My wife's school paid for her laptop. We aren't in Vic.


I paid for all my laptops, desktops, tablets and servers. Why does everyone else expect to get theirs for free ?


The school I worked for paid for all teachers laptops. We actually bought them for them in most cases as teachers that bought their own usually bought "home" edition windows laptops which were a never ending pain in the... They didn't work well in a domain environment. It was better, less hassle, to provide a laptop with an OS that works well on a domain.
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stunspore wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 10:25pm:
So pointless....




That blew your idiot left mind didn't it?, it left you reeling, you are caught between a rock and hard place, on the one hand you want to continue to support idiot leftism yet on the other hand somewhere at the back of your mind you know it made sense don't you?
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Still pointless post.  When will moderators fix this?
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