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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #60 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:44am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:18am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

The rabbits are scurrying for their bunny holes. They know their party is riddled with corruption because the unions control it & staff it and the unions themselves are riddled with corruption.

There is no comparison with private industry, none at all.
If it's a publicly listed company, it's remuneration of directors and senior management are on the record for anyone to see.
If it's a private company, it's all a matter for the owners as it should be.

Unions however stand in a relationship of trust with their members (no joke intended) and they clearly breach that trust all the time.

You should do some basic research, before commenting on something you know absolutely nothing about.

All Unions are regularly audited, and their financial statements are published every single year (mailed out to the members), and are easily accessible to all members of the public.

e.g.

http://www.cfmeu.asn.au/your-union/financial-statements
http://www.ieu.asn.au/union-financial-statements/
https://www.nuw.org.au/get-informed/public-notices/financial-summaries
http://www.sda.com.au/media/14-State-Reports.pdf

"The remuneration and benefits for the ten highest paid officers of the union (as defined in section 557Q of the Act)."

http://www.sdaq.asn.au/about-us/financial-disclosure/

If the process is so rigorous then, how come every time a stone is turned over a grub crawls out?

If corporations got the same scrutiny unions did, you'd find whole nests of grubs crawling out, not just the odd grub. The difference is that in private industry it is easier to hide their corruption because they're not accountable to anyone but themselves.

Have you any idea how much bribery is taking place daily? It happens all the time, and no one says anything because to do so would see their job gone, or their contract lost. It's all about you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

Corporations are subject to far greater scrutiny than Unions are. Stop deluding yourself.

don't talk when the adults are talking ... especially when you have no idea.

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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #61 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:45am

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

I value Judith Sloane's opinion very highly.
She has in fact worked both sides of the industrial divide in her career and speaks from many years experience.

Judith Sloan? She has a chip on her shoulder that's wider than the grand canyon ... she won't miss an opportunity to bash labor or the unions. You may as well ask cods for her opinion

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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #62 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:47am

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:18am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

The rabbits are scurrying for their bunny holes. They know their party is riddled with corruption because the unions control it & staff it and the unions themselves are riddled with corruption.

There is no comparison with private industry, none at all.
If it's a publicly listed company, it's remuneration of directors and senior management are on the record for anyone to see.
If it's a private company, it's all a matter for the owners as it should be.

Unions however stand in a relationship of trust with their members (no joke intended) and they clearly breach that trust all the time.

You should do some basic research, before commenting on something you know absolutely nothing about.

All Unions are regularly audited, and their financial statements are published every single year (mailed out to the members), and are easily accessible to all members of the public.

e.g.

http://www.cfmeu.asn.au/your-union/financial-statements
http://www.ieu.asn.au/union-financial-statements/
https://www.nuw.org.au/get-informed/public-notices/financial-summaries
http://www.sda.com.au/media/14-State-Reports.pdf

"The remuneration and benefits for the ten highest paid officers of the union (as defined in section 557Q of the Act)."

http://www.sdaq.asn.au/about-us/financial-disclosure/

If the process is so rigorous then, how come every time a stone is turned over a grub crawls out?

If corporations got the same scrutiny unions did, you'd find whole nests of grubs crawling out, not just the odd grub. The difference is that in private industry it is easier to hide their corruption because they're not accountable to anyone but themselves.

Have you any idea how much bribery is taking place daily? It happens all the time, and no one says anything because to do so would see their job gone, or their contract lost. It's all about you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

Corporations are subject to far greater scrutiny than Unions are. Stop deluding yourself.

Who exactly do you think investigates a businesses misuse of credit cards ?

I suspect that the answer is nobody And I equally suspect that the abuse would be worse than with union officials.

So pleased to see you condone ripping of the union membership Grin

you people seriously struggle with comprehension ... I haven't seen anyone condone anyone ripping off anyone ... can you show me where someone did so?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 144806 Gender:	Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases Reply #63 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:05am aussie100percent wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:42am: So pleased to see you condone ripping of the union membership 1. Nobody in this forum is condoning the ripping off of union members. 2. If they were, why would that please you?
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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #64 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:10am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

So pleased to see you condone ripping of the union membership

1. Nobody in this forum is condoning the ripping off of union members.

2. If they were, why would that please you?

try post #3 to start wonker Wink

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Reply #65 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:21am

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

So pleased to see you condone ripping of the union membership

1. Nobody in this forum is condoning the ripping off of union members.

2. If they were, why would that please you?

try post #3 to start wonker Wink

Post # 3 wasn't acceptance - it was apathy.

However, for the sake of your argument, let's say that you're right (even though you're not).

So, why would that make you "so pleased"?

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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #66 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 11:44am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

Who cares?

Unions are private companies, aren't they?

How is that defending abuse of member's funds? Dame Pansi was taking a shot at the reality that businesses do it all the time and not a word is spoken - so if Unions are to be businesses, they should be entitled to the same rights....

We need one rule and one enforcement for all...... a Federal ICAC, which is about as popular with the LNP as an Infidel in a mosque, would be a good start....

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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #67 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:18am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

The rabbits are scurrying for their bunny holes. They know their party is riddled with corruption because the unions control it & staff it and the unions themselves are riddled with corruption.

There is no comparison with private industry, none at all.
If it's a publicly listed company, it's remuneration of directors and senior management are on the record for anyone to see.
If it's a private company, it's all a matter for the owners as it should be.

Unions however stand in a relationship of trust with their members (no joke intended) and they clearly breach that trust all the time.

You should do some basic research, before commenting on something you know absolutely nothing about.

All Unions are regularly audited, and their financial statements are published every single year (mailed out to the members), and are easily accessible to all members of the public.

e.g.

http://www.cfmeu.asn.au/your-union/financial-statements
http://www.ieu.asn.au/union-financial-statements/
https://www.nuw.org.au/get-informed/public-notices/financial-summaries
http://www.sda.com.au/media/14-State-Reports.pdf

"The remuneration and benefits for the ten highest paid officers of the union (as defined in section 557Q of the Act)."

http://www.sdaq.asn.au/about-us/financial-disclosure/

If the process is so rigorous then, how come every time a stone is turned over a grub crawls out?

If corporations got the same scrutiny unions did, you'd find whole nests of grubs crawling out, not just the odd grub. The difference is that in private industry it is easier to hide their corruption because they're not accountable to anyone but themselves.

Have you any idea how much bribery is taking place daily? It happens all the time, and no one says anything because to do so would see their job gone, or their contract lost. It's all about you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

Corporations are subject to far greater scrutiny than Unions are. Stop deluding yourself.

don't talk when the adults are talking ... especially when you have no idea.

Your contribution, as usual, is less than enlightening and you clearly have nothing to refute what I said. I accept your surrender.

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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #68 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:46pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Your contribution, as usual, is less than enlightening and you clearly have nothing to refute what I said. I accept your surrender.

The white flag has been raised by you.

The onus is on you to provide evidence that supports your claim.

I've provided extensive evidence that shows how Unions are scrutinised.

So far, you've provided nothing at all that suggests they are subjected to less scrutiny than corporations.

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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #69 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm

Explaining anything to Jack and his girlfriend gweggy is like having a conversation with a pair of planks. Unions are supposed to benefit members, not fraudulently spend their dues. These maggots get paid exorbitant salaries but they still have to steal more. Typical communist doctrine “They’re all equal, but some are more equal than others”….

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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #70 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:58pm

Muttley wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

Explaining anything ...

Armpit hasn't explained anything, yet.

He made a statement, and refuses to back it up with any evidence.

"Corporations are subject to far greater scrutiny than Unions are."

I've told him that he is talking complete and utter nonsense, and have provided substantial proof to back up my position.

Armpit has offered nothing, except a white flag.

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Reply #71 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Muttley wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

Explaining anything ...

Armpit hasn't explained anything, yet.

He made a statement, and refuses to back it up with any evidence.

"Corporations are subject to far greater scrutiny than Unions are."

I've told him that he is talking complete and utter nonsense, and have provided substantial proof to back up my position.

Armpit has offered nothing, except a white flag.

Be careful - that white flag doubles as his undies and is registered as a deadly weapon.

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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #73 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:05pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Muttley wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

Explaining anything ...

Armpit hasn't explained anything, yet.

He made a statement, and refuses to back it up with any evidence.

"Corporations are subject to far greater scrutiny than Unions are."

I've told him that he is talking complete and utter nonsense, and have provided substantial proof to back up my position.

Armpit has offered nothing, except a white flag.

Be careful - that white flag doubles as his undies and is registered as a deadly weapon.

In the lottery of life, he drew the short stick.

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Re: Union boss' card used for personal purchases
Reply #74 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:05pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Muttley wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

Explaining anything ...

Armpit hasn't explained anything, yet.

He made a statement, and refuses to back it up with any evidence.

"Corporations are subject to far greater scrutiny than Unions are."

I've told him that he is talking complete and utter nonsense, and have provided substantial proof to back up my position.

Armpit has offered nothing, except a white flag.

Be careful - that white flag doubles as his undies and is registered as a deadly weapon.

In the lottery of life, he drew the short stick.

No, that would be either your boyfriend or your wife?

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