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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #90 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

I guess the Libs and Labs would declare elections in the US null and void, therefore illegal - it's voluntary voting, how on Earth could they be legally recognized ?

It's called Freedom.

The freedom to vote or the freedom not to vote.

The choice is that of a free man or woman to exercise their right, a right protected by a law established by those they hired to serve & govern them, but not to rule over them.

A truly free society would never have to force it's citizens to exercise their right of choice......never.

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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #91 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 11:29pm

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

I guess the Libs and Labs would declare elections in the US null and void, therefore illegal - it's voluntary voting, how on Earth could they be legally recognized ?

It's called Freedom.

The freedom to vote or the freedom not to vote.

The choice is that of a free man or woman to exercise their right, a right protected by a law established by those they hired to serve & govern them, but not to rule over them.

A truly free society would never have to force it's citizens to exercise their right of choice......never.

Here's a little bit about Howard's hypocrisy ....

Legitimacy

“…full participation provides electoral outcomes with greater legitimacy” (this is a comment requiring an answer in the site)

In 1994 John Howard, who was later to become Australian Prime Minister, declared a 38% midterm election turnout in the United States as ‘largely meaningless as a reflection of American political opinion in 1994’6. Four years later his own Liberal Party won the 1998 federal election with 217,000 fewer votes than the Labor opposition (see below). One might guess the Prime Minister did not see any reason to question the legitimacy of that election.

http://compulsoryvoting.org/faq.html#with

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner Reply #92 - Feb 9^th, 2016 at 4:16am The problem with compulsory voting is that it gives an over representation to low information voters, who in most cases don't even realise they don't have to cast a vote. And then we end up with STOP DA BOATS.
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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #93 - Feb 9^th, 2016 at 10:09am

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 11:29pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

I guess the Libs and Labs would declare elections in the US null and void, therefore illegal - it's voluntary voting, how on Earth could they be legally recognized ?

It's called Freedom.

The freedom to vote or the freedom not to vote.

The choice is that of a free man or woman to exercise their right, a right protected by a law established by those they hired to serve & govern them, but not to rule over them.

A truly free society would never have to force it's citizens to exercise their right of choice......never.

Here's a little bit about Howard's hypocrisy ....

Legitimacy

“…full participation provides electoral outcomes with greater legitimacy” (this is a comment requiring an answer in the site)

In 1994 John Howard, who was later to become Australian Prime Minister, declared a 38% midterm election turnout in the United States as ‘largely meaningless as a reflection of American political opinion in 1994’6. Four years later his own Liberal Party won the 1998 federal election with 217,000 fewer votes than the Labor opposition (see below). One might guess the Prime Minister did not see any reason to question the legitimacy of that election.

http://compulsoryvoting.org/faq.html#with

Not only is the vote compulsory (I think only about 9.....mostly 3rd world.....countries worldwide enforce compulsory voting), then you need to jackass them around with preferences, & what if's, etc...etc....so numbers of voters are actually excluded because they messed up their ballots, & nobody lower than rocket scientist grade can figure out the ballot counts to 100% accuracy.

Should be simple & pure:

For dog catcher in Perth

person#1 yes ☐ no ☐
person#2 yes ☐ no ☐
person#3 yes ☑ no ☐
person#4 yes ☐ no ☐

No Preferences!!!

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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #94 - Feb 9^th, 2016 at 12:42pm

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

I guess the Libs and Labs would declare elections in the US null and void, therefore illegal - it's voluntary voting, how on Earth could they be legally recognized ?

It's called Freedom.

The freedom to vote or the freedom not to vote.

Lets look at this first pro compusory voting comment in the link below ....

"Voluntary voting plays into the hands of conservative political parties who would benefit from it".

If this was true, Barack Obama might not have been elected. He was elected twice back to back, so this comment is based on BS

Here's an interesting comment by John Howard, again in the link .....

“With voluntary voting it would be possible to end up with a government the majority disapprove of because many of the disapproving did not vote.”-John Howard

Well there you go ! Howard's own government wasn't the wrong government - just ask him, he'll gladly tell you. How could it have been the wrong government ?

Now, Johnny thought that voluntary voting wasn't the right way to go and that compulsory voting is king. Ok, so why did he readily join the coalition of the willing headed by the US which has voluntary voting? Surely there was a chance the the US had the wrong government, according to Howard's logic

Many people thought that the Bush administration was the wrong administration because of voter fraud, but it didn't stop Howard cuddling up to him - massive hypocrisy no doubt

http://compulsoryvoting.org/faq.html

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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #95 - Feb 9^th, 2016 at 9:15pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 9^th, 2016 at 4:16am:

The problem with compulsory voting is that it gives an over representation to low information voters, who in most cases don't even realise they don't have to cast a vote. And then we end up with STOP DA BOATS.

If only homosexuals, gays, communists and feminists were the only ones allowed to vote. Next stop: paradise. Cheesy

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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #96 - Feb 9^th, 2016 at 9:52pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 9^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 9^th, 2016 at 4:16am:

The problem with compulsory voting is that it gives an over representation to low information voters, who in most cases don't even realise they don't have to cast a vote. And then we end up with STOP DA BOATS.

If only homosexuals, gays, communists and feminists were the only ones allowed to vote. Next stop: paradise. Cheesy

Definitely didn't get a pHD, doc.

There's a difference between voluntary voting and partial suffrage. But the point of course is that compulsory voting makes every idiot have to go out and vote. So elections become about nonsense such as STOP DA BOATS. In voluntary voting one hopes that things like rain keep the idiots at home. And then politics can actually be about details and visions. Not just STOP DA BOATS!!

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner Reply #98 - Feb 10^th, 2016 at 9:44pm polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 5:57pm: Fun fact of the day: today marked the first time ever that someone of non-christian heritage won a US primary. yeah, a jew. Hamas won't be too happy.
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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #99 - Feb 10^th, 2016 at 11:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

Fun fact of the day: today marked the first time ever that someone of non-christian heritage won a US primary.

Not true, the current President was raised an Atheist by an Atheist mother and maternal Grand Parents. If being a Christen in this country was already a crime there would not be enough evidence to convict him!

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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #100 - Feb 11^th, 2016 at 12:22am

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

Fun fact of the day: today marked the first time ever that someone of non-christian heritage won a US primary.

Not true, the current President was raised an Atheist by an Atheist mother and maternal Grand Parents. If being a Christen in this country was already a crime there would not be enough evidence to convict him!

*sigh* Just because he isn't a god loving nutjob does not mean he is an atheist.

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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #101 - Feb 11^th, 2016 at 3:26am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

Fun fact of the day: today marked the first time ever that someone of non-christian heritage won a US primary.

So what are you trying to say here? First time ever for a Zionist?

The entire the Sanders campaign is nothing more than a political instrument of the ruling class. Seems America's self-professed "Democratic socialist" (again, whatever the hell that is) is nothing more than a toolsack as he seeks to play in safeguarding the Democratic Party and the political monopoly of the two-party system. F- him.

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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #102 - Feb 11^th, 2016 at 6:39am

Where's the surprise in Bernie's huge win?

1 it's his backyard
2 his opponent is a criminal-in-waiting
3 it's virtually an ethnically clean white zone
4 liberalism is king in the north east
5 did you see the young lady with the sign "I'm voting like a girl"??!!

But don't imagine he has a snowball's chance in hell in the south or west

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Reply #103 - Feb 11^th, 2016 at 11:05am

There's all this talk that Hillary will survive on the Black & Latino vote. And Bernie is out today trying to build his cred there.

Don't believe it. I don't know about the Latinos but I'm sure the blacks don't buy the Clintons or any of the liberals anymore, especially the pants suit brigade of feminist (?) progressives. The young sure don't.

It hasn't been put to the test yet but it soon will, however I suspect that the blacks will be coming round to the view that this guy Trump might have something to offer to them. Like jobs & more jobs. And you know what, I think they will identify with him more than the same old same old. They probably all watch his celebrity TV shows for a start and would be quite impressed with his bling.
There is no end to the Trump charm when it is deployed.

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Re: Clinton still the demcorat Front-Runner
Reply #104 - Feb 11^th, 2016 at 11:31am

I don't know if this is correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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Despite a crushing defeat by voters in the New Hampshire primary, Hillary Clinton will likely win more delegates in the state — effectively nullifying Bernie Sanders’ anti-establishment popular victory.

At issue are “superdelegates” who aren’t obligated to follow the populace’s vote and are free to cast their choice as they please. New Hampshire has 24 “pledged” delegates, which do conform to the popular vote. Sanders now has 13 of these delegates, Clinton has nine, and two remain ‘undecided.’

New Hampshire also has eight superdelegates — “current or former party leaders, including governors, senators, representatives, and former presidents and vice presidents” — whose vote, despite a lack of correlation with the popular vote, counts the same as that of the regular delegates.

Of New Hampshire’s eight superdelegates, six are already committed to Clinton, giving her 15 total delegates so far. The two remaining superdelegates have still not committed to a candidate at the time of this article’s publication.

Overall in the delegate count, Clinton holds a whopping lead over Sanders, with 394 to his 42 — mostly due to superdelegates. To garner the Democratic Party’s nomination for president, a candidate must win 2,382 delegates.

http://theantimedia.org/so-you-thought-bernie-sanders-won-the-new-hampshire-prim...

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