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Reply #30 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:45pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:22pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:21pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:17pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:14pm:
Most 'Family Violence' is from mothers and their 'new lion' in the pride, who preys upon the cubs of the former Lion...



That's just not true Grap.


Seriously?  How then the figures that children are seven times more likely to be abused. neglected and even killed at the hands of their mother alone or in concert with her new lion?

Sadly - it IS true.




Link please.

But anyway, that doesn't translate to most family violence being mostly perpetrated by women.


A)  define family violence.

B) compare that with the number of children killed this year by mother and real father.

C)  separate women from children and re-do your statistics.

D)  take into account the input of the new lion into the pride

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-...

I'm not fighting against you here - I'm fighting with you to resolve these issues... and I believe that any discussion and input helps - as long as we escape the current downward spiral of 'men v women' only - and falsely including children as well with women.

We need to resolve the REAL issues and get away from propaganda.
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Reply #31 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:47pm
 
One woman every seven days - one man every ten...... ring any bells?

How many of those women who kill men are charged, and how many do meaningful time?
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Reply #32 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:50pm
 
Grap, if women are more highly represented in child deaths it is because women are by and large more often with the children.

Try factoring that in.

How much time does the average father spend with the children versus the mother.
How many more women are left isolated with children than men?

And i don;t think it's fair to associate boyfriend committed homicides with women.
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Reply #33 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:51pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:47pm:
One woman every seven days - one man every ten...... ring any bells?

How many of those women who kill men are charged, and how many do meaningful time?




Are you claiming that one man dies as the result of a domestic dispute every 10 days Grap?
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Reply #34 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:57pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:20pm:
... wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:02pm:
  John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:37pm:
... wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:49pm:
I would say that fathers need to advise their sons also, for example to not raise another mans bastard,



Seriously? that's your solution?

to hard for you to simply teach them not to kill kids?


That's brilliant!  I'm going to nominate you for the Nobel peace prize, because I think your radical suggestion is going to eradicate murder once and for all. 

Why did nobody think of this before?


nobody? now, now, I know you have security in numbers and all that, but the real question you should be asking is why YOU didn't think of that?


Yes, I can't believe myself.  I guess I'll have to cancel tomorrow's killing lesson.  The kids will be so disappointed.
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Reply #35 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm
 
"Grap, if women are more highly represented in child deaths it is because women are by and large more often with the children."

That's appalling - case rests.

That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident.

The issue is that the real issues of Family Violence need to be thoroughly researched and thoroughly looked at, and that means the current approach of 'male v female violence' needs to be thrown away and a new start begun.

This divisive and one-sided approach has already created an escalating war between men and women and surely any sane person could see it it time for it to be abolished, and a fair and even-handed approach made to FAMILY violence in all its forms.

Rose Batty tried to espouse Family Violence but was shouted down and signed up to 'domestic violence' as espoused by the current regime - 'men v women'.  No agree Rosie - no funding!  and surely you can see we need to cut out 'men v women' violence first.. thus trapping the entire discussion in the same mold that has created the problem of today with more and more murders.


You CANNOT exercise violence against one gender as your chosen means to resolve violence without creating casus belli - cause for war.  Capisce?

I would also suggest that proper restitution be made to the countless millions harmed by this approach.

Does government have that much money?  I doubt it.
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Reply #36 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:01pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm:
That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident.




What article? One man what?
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Reply #37 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:04pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm:
That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident.




What article? One man what?


Link - I provided link...


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-...
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Reply #38 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:13pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:04pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm:
That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident.




What article? One man what?


Link - I provided link...


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-...



I have never ignored male victims. I have always strongly spoken out against family violence in all of it's forms but i refuse to accept that a man is killed every 10 days owing to the fact that his spouse is abusive.

I would say it is more likely that he was abusive and the woman had had enough.
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Reply #39 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:19pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:13pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:04pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm:
That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident.




What article? One man what?


Link - I provided link...


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-...



I have never ignored male victims. I have always strongly spoken out against family violence in all of it's forms but i refuse to accept that a man is killed every 10 days owing to the fact that his spouse is abusive.

I would say it is more likely that he was abusive and the woman had had enough.


So it's all one-sided and the woman is always the victim?  You do see the error in your thinking, don't you?

Maybe all those women were abusive and the men had had enough?

You really cannot take such a position and expect it to be acceptable, and in the reverse situation you would be on the barricades screaming "Blaming the Victim!".

You do see the error of your ways, don't you?

That is the problem - the total unwillingness of those who take such a huge part in the issues of family violence to actually look at the realities in an impartial way.

Until the 'woman victim - man perpetrator' nonsense is removed from the discussion - there is no end in sight, other than an escalating war between men and women and men and government.

What you are seeing is the minor skirmishes and chance encounters... what if such a war were to become real, especially given the other evils of government of the west in the 21st century?

How many would die then?
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Reply #40 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:30pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:13pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:04pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm:
That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident.




What article? One man what?


Link - I provided link...


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-...



I have never ignored male victims. I have always strongly spoken out against family violence in all of it's forms but i refuse to accept that a man is killed every 10 days owing to the fact that his spouse is abusive.

I would say it is more likely that he was abusive and the woman had had enough.


So it's all one-sided and the woman is always the victim?  You do see the error in your thinking, don't you?

Maybe all those women were abusive and the men had had enough?

You really cannot take such a position and expect it to be acceptable, and in the reverse situation you would be on the barricades screaming "Blaming the Victim!".

You do see the error of your ways, don't you?

That is the problem - the total unwillingness of those who take such a huge part in the issues of family violence to actually look at the realities in an impartial way.

Until the 'woman victim - man perpetrator' nonsense is removed from the discussion - there is no end in sight, other than an escalating war between men and women and men and government.

What you are seeing is the minor skirmishes and chance encounters... what if such a war were to become real, especially given the other evils of government of the west in the 21st century?

How many would die then?



I never said it was all one sided. In fact i clearly said that i have never ignored male victims. They are plentiful and the number is rising.

I simply reject that one man dies at the hands of his spouse every 10 days unless it is a murder to free herself from tyranny.
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Reply #41 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:07am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:30pm:
I simply reject that one man dies at the hands of his spouse every 10 days unless it is a murder to free herself from tyranny.


That is the essence of the one-sided and feminist 'women victim - men perpetrator' concept that is at the heart of the current brushfire war between men and women.

Seriously, and in all good faith, you need to divorce yourself from that style of thinking - if that is allowed to continue to dominate discussion between men and women, there can only be an escalation in a war that may take millenia - but which women cannot win in the long run.

Violence is not an acceptable solution to any situation, and should be the last resort - and even suggesting that women are 'freeing themselves from tyranny' by exercising violence in many forms, as is the current case, is a certain recipe for disaster.

Any continuation of this current fallacy will result in many more deaths pn both sides, and also of those in the middle.

You need to stop that kind of thinking right now - and get with the program.

So do stupid and short-sighted governments who see that using the power of government to abuse an entire demographic to establish some form of order by exercising violence to reduce violence.

When that ever actually happens - let me know.

I will say again - this current nonsense between men and women, with the government on the side of women without any consideration for realities, is one of the root causes of social unrest and potential civil war in this country.

Do you seriously contend that just such a 'brush fire war' is not going on right now under this regime of 'woman victim - man perpetrator'?

Tomorrow will be worse....
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Reply #42 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:58am
 
the article was written by Bill O'chee a man with an axe to grind...failed political career and failed marriage... I would like to see where he gets the figures from he quotes....

the other link from grap is American..we cannot compare ourselves to the yanks...not yet I hope.. although we are fact approaching their stats thats for sure..

the facts are a lot of children are DYING.. and they are dying in an appalling way... this case that herb has highlighted I cannot read it..it makes me sick to my stomach to think of what they little boy went through before finally he succumbed to the brutality...where are we sinking too??.. what are we becoming..

to argue who is the worst mum or dad. boyfriend  is not the point..this is how it all gets too hard... who can stop an ADULT FROM BEING AN ANIMAL>>

we cant ..

how could this little boy 7 years of age be treated like this and no one notice anything wrong..???...

are we getting to the stage where we will soon be stepping over dead bodies in the gutter because its and every day occurrence??.. Cry Cry
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Reply #43 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:02am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:41pm:
Most boyfriends of single mother's do not go on to endanger the children Herbie. Why deny people the chance to be happy?

Your obviously warped views on single mother's is poisoning your reason.


It's the sheer number of these 'new boyfriend' killings and torturings that I've read of over the years that creates the stereotype. 

Okay - let's compromise.

Let's have a program in our schools which teaches the kids to report if anything untoward is happening in their home - or from neighbours.

I was sexually abused (no penetration) by 4 separate people during my younger years - and not once did it even remotely occur to me that I could report these to the adults in my social environment (school, parents, etc).

This inhibition on the part of young victims must be 'taught' out of them.

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Reply #44 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:06am
 
... wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:49pm:
Education is the key. 

Not book Larnin, but mothers actually giving parental advice to their daughters, instead of being their "friend" and turning them loose to "follow their heart".

I would say that fathers need to advise their sons also, for example to not raise another mans bastard, but that would require they actually have access to their sons. 


Oh hell yes. Wise words there, Honky.
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