mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:


I don't agree with a death penalty only because it is impossible to correct or compensate a mistake. 

Having said that, why isn't vengeance allowed to be included in the responses to crime?  I would suggest they would punishment, for that you can read vengeance, deterrence, and rehabilitation. 

Being locked up for life is pretty vengeful.

... wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:



Seriously? that's your solution?

to hard for you to simply teach them not to kill kids?

John Smith wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:



Locking somebody up in gaol takes care of recidivism.

John Smith wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:55pm:



That was a failed case. We can fix the system. We should fix the system.

But incorporating the death penalty into an already broken system makes no sense at all.

John Smith wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:


I rescued one tonight in the sink and threw it outside.... I never harm any creatures unless it is necessary..... a second on hiding in the sink was killed by hot water...


There's a parable there somewhere.....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:



That's just not true Grap.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:17pm:


Seriously?  How then the figures that children are seven times more likely to be abused. neglected and even killed at the hands of their mother alone or in concert with her new lion?

Sadly - it IS true.

"
Who Are the Perpetrators?
No matter how the fatal abuse occurs, one fact of great
concern is that the perpetrators are, by definition,
individuals responsible for the care and supervision
of their victims. In 2013, parents, acting alone or with
another parent, were responsible for 78.9 percent of child
abuse or neglect fatalities. More than one-quarter (27.7
percent) were perpetrated by the mother acting alone,
12.4 percent were perpetrated by the father acting alone,
and 24.6 percent were perpetrated by the mother and
father acting together. Nonparents (including kin and
child care providers, among others) were responsible
for 17.0 percent of child fatalities, and child fatalities with
unknown perpetrator relationship data accounted for 4.2
percent of the total".

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/fatality.pdf

Thing about this is that in discussing 'both parents', this includes those In Locus Parenti - meaning de factos and 'new lions' and 'new lionesses', and not just real fathers.

It's also a shocking fact that 40%+ of child sexual abuse is by women, and that this is a vastly under-reported crime.

http://www.secasa.com.au/pages/breaking-the-last-taboo-sexual-abuse-by-female-pe...

Not necessarily most Family Violence - but it raises the very real issue that combining 'women and children' in the victim category, and thus pointing the finger at fathers, is a massive lie.

No other word for it.

You could also consider that the level of women's deaths could be related to this blatant abuse of children  by 'new lions' and even themselves - and the very natural response of a natural father in protecting his children.

Family Violence is not a simple issue - you know I was beaten and starved by my father.. as were my siblings - but we were also massively abused by our mother and other females in the family.

Even my father and his two brothers and his sister were physically and emotionally abused by their mother and not their father - my mother was sexually abused by her grandfather, and then physically abused by her mother... not her father at all.

Family Violence is not as simple as the reigning 'men v women' nonsense that has caused an even greater level of woman killings, through attacking men without proper reason.

You also need to read my books......

Continuing to sweep under the carper the very real responsibility of women for the harm they so often do will not resolve the situation - and assaulting men to try to beat them into line with such nonsense will only make things worse.