Australian Politics Forum - Remembering Julia Gillard

aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36622 Gender:	Re: Remembering Julia Gillard Reply #90 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:00pm Johnsmith wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:58pm: mothra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:56pm: You are saying that women are mindless, Scoot? I think he did i think you did, go back and read your own comments where you said "MOST WOMEN HATE A SUCCESSFUL WOMAN"
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Re: Remembering Julia Gillard
Reply #91 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:00pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:58pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:44pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

actually most women disliked her.

that in itself should convince you that she was doing brilliantly ... no one hates a successful woman more than other women.

an element of truth there.
mindless people do hate the cream.
you are right that when we look at a successful person like Trump or Murdoch , we must conclude they are doing brilliantly because so many mediocre people hate them Wink

You are saying that women are mindless, Scoot?

well if they hated Gillard PURELY because she was successful, as suggested by John, are YOU suggesting that this is a mindful position, developed as a result of deep consciousness and logical reasoning

I disagree with John's suggestion.

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Re: Remembering Julia Gillard
Reply #92 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:05pm

mothra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:48am:

And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to.

The reason for this is Tony Abbott is the very model of divisiveness. His entire career from student politics on is a history of declarations of war. He even called his book, "Battlelines".

This divisiveness is the reason the independents went with Gillard, along with the professed lack of trust they had in Abbott. They believed Gillard's personality was far more suited to minority government than Abbott's. They were proven right, but whether you believe this or not, it was this judgment that formed the decision to make Gillard PM over Abbott. Gillard was open to negotiation and she kept her promises.

Gillard lost Wilkie early on for her broken promise on pokie reform, but she kept Oakeshot and Windsor. Alas, she also broke a promise to the church to not have a Royal Commission into sexual abuse. Interestingly, Gillard now credits this as one of her successes.

But divisive she wasn't. Gillard was strangely accessible. Some MPs say there must have been two of her. She had a warm, jovial personality for a PM, and she listened. Importantly, she was on top of her briefs. When Gillard spoke, she usually knew much more than she let on.

And yes, she achieved far more legislation than Abbott in a minority government - much of that legislation she negotiated herself. Gillard's success as PM is measurable.

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Crainial Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 222 Pakistainian Gender:	Re: Remembering Julia Gillard Reply #93 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:06pm Gillard was hated because she was useless and couldn't string two words together.
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Re: Remembering Julia Gillard
Reply #94 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:08pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:15pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:45am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:38am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 9:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:31am:

Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people.

She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote.

That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive?

are you kidding me???

she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card..

bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure.. Roll Eyes

Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved.

He didn’t like what he got, did he? Grin

Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain.

OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that.

actually most women disliked her.
the labour vote amongst women went up when Rudd replaced her .
her speech went viral the same way a train wreck goes viral, the number of hits is no indication that the viewers were part of the fan club. most probably just watched it and went "stoooopid biitch "

Do you have proof of this?

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Re: Remembering Julia Gillard
Reply #96 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:13pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:15pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:45am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:38am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 9:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:31am:

Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people.

She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote.

That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive?

are you kidding me???

she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card..

bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure.. Roll Eyes

Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved.

He didn’t like what he got, did he? Grin

Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain.

OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that.

actually most women disliked her.
the labour vote amongst women went up when Rudd replaced her .
her speech went viral the same way a train wreck goes viral, the number of hits is no indication that the viewers were part of the fan club. most probably just watched it and went "stoooopid biitch "

Do you have proof of this?

do i have proof that K Rudd was the preferred PM by female labor voters?
I heard some commentator talking about it at the time (emma alberici i think) and i remember being surprised that Rudd resuming the leadership was expected to give labor a boost amongst female voters. i thought they must all have a crush on him Wink

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 50175 Gender:	Re: Remembering Julia Gillard Reply #97 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:15pm Come on Scoot, self actualise and answer the bloody question! Or are you a gutless worm?
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Re: Remembering Julia Gillard
Reply #98 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:31pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:15pm:

Come on Scoot, self actualise and answer the bloody question! Or are you a gutless worm?

i shall ignore your bad behaviour Wink

from the SMH at the time

The poll follows a terrible fortnight for Labor in which Mr Rudd returned prominently to the airwaves and the Treasurer, Wayne Swan, admitted his mining tax had raised almost no revenue.
Fewer than one in four voters now support the mining tax in its current form, with two thirds of voters in favour of either dumping it or making it stronger.
The national poll of 1400 voters was carried out between Thursday and Saturday.
Approval/disapproval ratings tell a similar story of woe for the embattled Prime Minister.
The snapshot of voter sentiment coincides with a Galaxy Poll published by News Limited newspapers on Sunday that showed female voters, thought to be Ms Gillard's secret weapon against Mr Abbott, were walking away, with 36 per cent indicating support for the Prime Minister.
Mr Stirton said it was possible that women may have led the charge away from Ms Gillard.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pms-poll-pain-abbott-and-rudd-more-popular-20130217-2elb7.html#ixzz3pGQItQRf
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Re: Remembering Julia Gillard
Reply #99 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:31pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:15pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:45am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:38am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 9:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:31am:

Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people.

She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote.

That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive?

are you kidding me???

she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card..

bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure.. Roll Eyes

Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved.

He didn’t like what he got, did he? Grin

Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain.

OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that.

actually most women disliked her.
the labour vote amongst women went up when Rudd replaced her .
her speech went viral the same way a train wreck goes viral, the number of hits is no indication that the viewers were part of the fan club. most probably just watched it and went "stoooopid biitch "

Yes - the old 'misogyny' line was a mistake and lowered her to the gutter of feminist politics - and at a time when the issues developing and beginning to confront this country meant that many people, such as my good self, had heard enough of this same old trite tripe about women being victims when they demonstrably cop all the goodies, often by government decree. They get affirmative action in schooling, tertiary education, work placement in any public service or similar job, pushes to get into all other areas of work, and all the goodies of child support and so forth, plus every right to just walk out on whim to suit themselves.

This country was beginning to go down the toilet, partly as a result of this deliberate and calculated divisiveness within our society at its most basic level - so a woman standing up on a half mill salary plus all found and screeching 'misogyny' while at the top of the political pile was simply obscene.

She would have been far better served simply handling it with grace and aplomb instead of making an obvious play for the women's vote - and failing.

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Re: Remembering Julia Gillard
Reply #100 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:33pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:15pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:45am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:38am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 9:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:31am:

Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people.

She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote.

That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive?

are you kidding me???

she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card..

bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure.. Roll Eyes

Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved.

He didn’t like what he got, did he? Grin

Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain.

OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that.

actually most women disliked her.
the labour vote amongst women went up when Rudd replaced her .
her speech went viral the same way a train wreck goes viral, the number of hits is no indication that the viewers were part of the fan club. most probably just watched it and went "stoooopid biitch "

Do you have proof of this?

Unfortunately - my personal experience at a polling booth from the Labor women there was that they hated her, and felt that Kevie was their anointed saviour, and she the usurper who crucified him. A Jezebel or whatever....

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98921	Re: Remembering Julia Gillard Reply #101 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:39pm I don't disbelieve this, Aquascoot. I'd just like to see a breakdown of the numbers before I made a judgement either way. You know, like Longy. (Apologies to Lisa).
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60252 Here Gender:	Re: Remembering Julia Gillard Reply #102 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 2:53pm Crainial wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:06pm: Gillard was hated because she was useless and couldn't string two words together.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98921	Re: Remembering Julia Gillard Reply #103 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 5:33pm Nice proof, Aquascoot. Thanks.
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Re: Remembering Julia Gillard
Reply #104 - Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 5:34pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:58pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:56pm:

You are saying that women are mindless, Scoot?

I think he did

i think you did, go back and read your own comments where you said "MOST WOMEN HATE A SUCCESSFUL WOMAN"

yes, but I didn't say they are mindless .... they're jealous.

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