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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 50197 Gender:	Re: NSW To Push Treasurers On GST Increase Reply #15 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:57am The States could take back their income tax powers tho.
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Re: NSW To Push Treasurers On GST Increase
Reply #16 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:20am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:57am:

The States could take back their income tax powers tho.

They can't, practically. The law governing collection of income tax has been declared valid by the high court. They could in theory levy an income tax, but people would still have to pay federal income tax.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: NSW To Push Treasurers On GST Increase Reply #17 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:29am Quote: What was that again you said Premier Andrews?. Oh that's right, you said you don't support an increase in the GST. Thank for that Premier Andrews. What was that again you said Premier Andrews? You are an economic illiterate? Thanks for that Premier Andrews.
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Reply #18 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:06am

Swagman wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

crocodile wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

You want quality hospitals and schools you ALL have to pay for it.

Money doesn't grow on trees despite what you Truebelievers are brainwashed into thinking?

That's really funny Swaggie. Money trees seem to be in great abundance when the election sweeteners are handed out. Didn't the private health rebate, child care subsidy and concessional CGT come from these trees.

Those tax rebates are really just smoke and mirrors Croc.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/BEWAREGOVT.jpg

Yeah, about 12 billion bucks worth of smoke and mirrors.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Reply #19 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:03am:

Wonder if the Baird government understand that this issue could see them in opposition after the next election?

Governments that push for a huge tax increase seldom survive, I doubt that a government as poor as this one would be any different.

With NSW Libs massively popular and the Federal Libs the same way, a GST increase now is as possible as any other time. Having brought in the original GST we all know the economy wont die and people starve as a result.

Bring it on.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: NSW To Push Treasurers On GST Increase Reply #20 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am Quote: What was that again you said Premier Andrews?. Oh that's right, you said you don't support an increase in the GST. Thank for that Premier Andrews. Andrews doesn't get a say. Only the Federal Government does.
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Reply #21 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:38am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

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What was that again you said Premier Andrews?. Oh that's right, you said you don't support an increase in the GST. Thank for that Premier Andrews.

Andrews doesn't get a say. Only the Federal Government does.

I'd tend to agree with this. Although the agreement requires the states to approve, the legislation is ultimately federal legislation that can be amended.

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Reply #22 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:04am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:57am:

The States could take back their income tax powers tho.

Enslave their own people and regain the right to do so.. why, suh - that could cause the North to declare Civil War on us down here in Dixie!

If NSW declares independence and goes to war - I go with her - but I fear the consequences, since down here in the Deep South we have not a single cannon factory, and even though every Southron Gennuman is worth ten of them damned Yankees from Cambra, we are outnumbered and stand alone.... but we sure can Whistle Dixie!

Ah do declare Secession!!

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Reply #23 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:25am

Kytro wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

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What was that again you said Premier Andrews?. Oh that's right, you said you don't support an increase in the GST. Thank for that Premier Andrews.

Andrews doesn't get a say. Only the Federal Government does.

I'd tend to agree with this. Although the agreement requires the states to approve, the legislation is ultimately federal legislation that can be amended.

Exactly. All it takes is for the government to rescind this requirement and it is done. In fact, it is in the constitution that the federal government is not able to be dictated to by any other parliament.

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Reply #24 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:33am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Kytro wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

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What was that again you said Premier Andrews?. Oh that's right, you said you don't support an increase in the GST. Thank for that Premier Andrews.

Andrews doesn't get a say. Only the Federal Government does.

I'd tend to agree with this. Although the agreement requires the states to approve, the legislation is ultimately federal legislation that can be amended.

Exactly. All it takes is for the government to rescind this requirement and it is done. In fact, it is in the constitution that the federal government is not able to be dictated to by any other parliament.

It still has to pass through the senate, but so does any GST change, so there really isn't any difference. It depends mostly on if the senate will pass the revoking of the agreement.

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Reply #25 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:52am

Kytro wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Kytro wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

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What was that again you said Premier Andrews?. Oh that's right, you said you don't support an increase in the GST. Thank for that Premier Andrews.

Andrews doesn't get a say. Only the Federal Government does.

I'd tend to agree with this. Although the agreement requires the states to approve, the legislation is ultimately federal legislation that can be amended.

Exactly. All it takes is for the government to rescind this requirement and it is done. In fact, it is in the constitution that the federal government is not able to be dictated to by any other parliament.

It still has to pass through the senate, but so does any GST change, so there really isn't any difference. It depends mostly on if the senate will pass the revoking of the agreement.

Obviously the legislation will need to be passed by both houses but also, it could be passed via a double dissolution bill. That would disable the senate's veto powers. It's a long shot true, but this states agreement is of little to no consequence.

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Re: NSW To Push Treasurers On GST Increase
Reply #26 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 2:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Obviously the legislation will need to be passed by both houses but also, it could be passed via a double dissolution bill. That would disable the senate's veto powers. It's a long shot true, but this states agreement is of little to no consequence.

Like I said, I tend to agree. It only matters what all of federal parliament does. The senate is a house of review, but it has almost all the same powers the house of reps does, the main difference being supply.

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Re: NSW To Push Treasurers On GST Increase
Reply #27 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 2:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:03am:

Wonder if the Baird government understand that this issue could see them in opposition after the next election?

Governments that push for a huge tax increase seldom survive, I doubt that a government as poor as this one would be any different.

With NSW Libs massively popular and the Federal Libs the same way, a GST increase now is as possible as any other time. Having brought in the original GST we all know the economy wont die and people starve as a result.

Bring it on.

Liberals the party of taxation.

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Re: NSW To Push Treasurers On GST Increase
Reply #28 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 2:38pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

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What was that again you said Premier Andrews?. Oh that's right, you said you don't support an increase in the GST. Thank for that Premier Andrews.

Andrews doesn't get a say. Only the Federal Government does.

Under the current legislation he does.

The current position was put in place by John Howard precisely because he believed that it meant that the rate could never be increased. That was the intention 10% GST locked in.

John Howards position: the GOD of all conservatives everywhere decreed that 10% was sufficient and put in place a system meant to ensure that it was never going to be possible to change it.

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Re: NSW To Push Treasurers On GST Increase
Reply #29 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:06pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

Under the current legislation he does.

The current position was put in place by John Howard precisely because he believed that it meant that the rate could never be increased. That was the intention 10% GST locked in.

John Howards position: the GOD of all conservatives everywhere decreed that 10% was sufficient and put in place a system meant to ensure that it was never going to be possible to change it.

The problem with this position is that it still require legislation to change the rate, and if they are going to do that they can also remove the agreement when they do.

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