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Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist?
Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:16pm

It is unbelievable to see a Liberal government ban a man for simply expressing the opinion that abortion is murder.

Miranda Devine:

SO AUSTRALIA has become one of those countries that ban people whose views are not acceptable to the feminist establishment, and then locks them up.

This is the stunningly illiberal position of the new Turnbull government which banned American anti-abortion campaigner Troy Newman from coming to Australia last week.

He arrived on Thursday, anyway, to begin a speaking tour to Right to Life groups around the country, and was promptly detained by Border Security officers at Melbourne airport before being transferred to Maribyrnong Immigration Detention Centre pending deportation.

Newman has no criminal record, is not a threat to national security or to good public order.

He just has an opinion the “#ShoutYourAbortion” crowd don’t like. He believes abortion is murder.

Meanwhile:

A WANNABE glamour model had an abortion so she could get a nose job to achieve her dream of becoming a porn star.

Dubbed Britain’s most shameless woman, 25-year-old Josie Cunningham terminated her pregnancy at 12 weeks after surgeons refused her cosmetic surgery while she was pregnant.

“I’m having this nose job no matter what gets in my way,” the single mum-of-three said.

“Pregnancy was a major obstacle and an abortion was the answer to it — so that’s what I did...”

Cunningham will be free to tour Australia. Newman isn’t.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/P10/

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Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist?
Reply #1 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:22pm

The real answer?

anti-abortion activism is a counter intelligence program in the USA.

There are people in Australia a part of this operation.

This does not apply to all people in the anti-abortion crowd.

This ban is an international incident. Not because of who it was, but because of the topic. It is an attack on a US government capability.

Australia has been given the shovel to dig itself further in to a pile of shiit.

And it is doing so.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49165 Gender:	Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist? Reply #2 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:25pm Miranda Devine is a nutcase and propagandist.
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oh dear Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 715 Gender:	Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist? Reply #3 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:27pm Devine knows the reason Newman was denied entry, Newman has been calling for the doctors who perform abortions to be murdered.
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Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist?
Reply #4 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:29pm

oh dear wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

Devine knows the reason Newman was denied entry, Newman has been calling for the doctors who perform abortions to be murdered.

In context?

Abortion is murder. Let's abort the doctors.

That is clearly not inciting murder. If it was he would be in prison in the USA.

Place it in context. Apply human reasoning skills to the data provided. You are not a computer seeing only in black and white.

Your interpretation is the kind that has been used by Australian government agencies in the name of national security to break international law and breach human rights.

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jenny Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 407	Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist? Reply #5 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:34pm oh dear wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:27pm: Devine knows the reason Newman was denied entry, Newman has been calling for the doctors who perform abortions to be murdered. Do you have a link to him saying any such thing? By the way, abortion IS murder.
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist? Reply #6 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:36pm It's also legal.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21040 Perth Gender:	Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist? Reply #7 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:38pm The bloke came to Australia without a valid visa....He was deported for ignoring Australian law and thinking he was somehow special....Do the right now defend people entering Australia illegally when it suits their agenda???
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Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist?
Reply #8 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:41pm

jenny wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

oh dear wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

Devine knows the reason Newman was denied entry, Newman has been calling for the doctors who perform abortions to be murdered.

Do you have a link to him saying any such thing?

By the way, abortion IS murder.

Here you go Jenny....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/28/labor-calls-for-visa-ban-on-activis...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-30/anti-abortion-activist-blocked-from-enteri...

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Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist?
Reply #9 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:53am

easel wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:

oh dear wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

Devine knows the reason Newman was denied entry, Newman has been calling for the doctors who perform abortions to be murdered.

In context?

Abortion is murder. Let's abort the doctors.

That is clearly not inciting murder. If it was he would be in prison in the USA.

Place it in context. Apply human reasoning skills to the data provided. You are not a computer seeing only in black and white.

Your interpretation is the kind that has been used by Australian government agencies in the name of national security to break international law and breach human rights.

Lets abort you instead. One less fool. Abortion is sometimes medically necessary in order to save the life of the mother. It should never be illegal.

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Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist?
Reply #10 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:55am

jenny wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

oh dear wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

Devine knows the reason Newman was denied entry, Newman has been calling for the doctors who perform abortions to be murdered.

Do you have a link to him saying any such thing?

By the way, abortion IS murder.

From what I'm led to believe, he released a book some time ago where he said this.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist? Reply #11 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:55am Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:53am: Lets abort you instead. One less fool. Abortion is sometimes medically necessary in order to save the life of the mother. It should never be illegal. Ohhh, Armchair, youre a closet lefty.
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Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist?
Reply #12 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:03am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

Lets abort you instead. One less fool. Abortion is sometimes medically necessary in order to save the life of the mother. It should never be illegal.

Ohhh, Armchair, youre a closet lefty.

What makes you think that? If my wife was in danger of dying and we had a foetus that wasn't fully developed but had to be aborted to save my wife, I'd save my wife.

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Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist?
Reply #13 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:06pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:03am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

Lets abort you instead. One less fool. Abortion is sometimes medically necessary in order to save the life of the mother. It should never be illegal.

Ohhh, Armchair, youre a closet lefty.

What makes you think that? If my wife was in danger of dying and we had a foetus that wasn't fully developed but had to be aborted to save my wife, I'd save my wife.

Pro-choice is more of a lefty position.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Why did the government ban anti-abortion activist?
Reply #14 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 3:42pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

easel wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:

oh dear wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

Devine knows the reason Newman was denied entry, Newman has been calling for the doctors who perform abortions to be murdered.

In context?

Abortion is murder. Let's abort the doctors.

That is clearly not inciting murder. If it was he would be in prison in the USA.

Place it in context. Apply human reasoning skills to the data provided. You are not a computer seeing only in black and white.

Your interpretation is the kind that has been used by Australian government agencies in the name of national security to break international law and breach human rights.

Lets abort you instead. One less fool. Abortion is sometimes medically necessary in order to save the life of the mother. It should never be illegal.

This is your second consecutive post directed at me.

Both are personal attacks and have no substance.

I am considering ignoring your future posts.

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