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Question: Is this abuse?

Shredding an argument with facts and thinking    
  0 (0.0%)
Attacking the words in a post    
  0 (0.0%)
Attacking the poster    
  8 (33.3%)
Speculation about someone's private life etc    
  7 (29.2%)
Saying the person is stupid    
  6 (25.0%)
Saying the point is stupid and why....    
  0 (0.0%)
statements about individuals belief's etc    
  3 (12.5%)




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« Created by: Phemanderac on: Oct 2nd, 2015 at 3:52pm »

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Reply #30 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:17am
 
Ask bushy (ozzie).......he does after all personally abuse most on this forum by way of his patronisation.....

How can a f##king taxi driver think he's in any way superior?

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Reply #31 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:18am
 
Ask bushy (ozzie).......he does after all personally abuse most on this forum by way of his patronisation.....

How can a f##king taxi driver think he's in any way superior?

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Reply #32 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:24am
 
Muttley wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:18am:
Ask bushy (ozzie).......he does after all personally abuse most on this forum by way of his patronisation.....

How can a f##king taxi driver think he's in any way superior?



Taxi driver would have to be pretty much bottom of the pile of jobs surely?
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Reply #33 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:48pm
 
Johnsmith wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 7:37am:
I set my bench mark by my standards Phem


Well you appear to be arguing other than this to me. Must be my mistake then.

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 7:37am:
I think it has to do with both.


That actually has not been at all evident in your posts so far (to be absolutely honest and responsible, I would have to admit the same can be said about my posts too).

I can absolutely agree with that though. Both parties need some help and support.

You mentioned self esteem earlier, it is widely accepted that, apart from biological issues (i.e. mental health etc) bullies generally come from a position of low self esteem...

So, bullies need to be held to account, but also supported in developing their self esteem.

Victims, biggest need is to be supported/helped to develop their resilience (this will also have knock on benefits for self esteem).

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 7:37am:
our just looking at one side and ignoring the other


I think it is arguable that both our posts could be viewed that way. Until now at least.

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Reply #34 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:53pm
 
Muttley wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:18am:
How can a f##king taxi driver think he's in any way superior?


How can anyone?

mariacostel wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:24am:
Taxi driver would have to be pretty much bottom of the pile of jobs surely?


Wow - that's an incredibly dumb thing to say just for the sake of being nasty...

Let's face it, "bottom of the pile of jobs" is subjective and also dependent on a whole range of factors. For some, being an accountant (for example) or a solicitor, or a real estate agent might be at the "bottom"...

Let's face it, one would only make a comment like that to be personally abusive...

Further, what are you going to do if all those people with the jobs at the "bottom" of the pile stop doing them?
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Reply #35 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 1:15pm
 
Whatever the complainant feels it to be... you know that.. you live in the 21st Century where there are no boundaries any more....
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Reply #36 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 1:20pm
 
Phemanderac wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:48pm:
Well you appear to be arguing other than this to me. Must be my mistake then.



Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 6:40pm:
I don't disagree,


Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 6:40pm:
why? Who ever said cyber bullying doesn't exist?



I never once disagreed with the basic gist of what you were saying, I was just trying to show a different perspective on the argument.  (maybe I did a bad job of it)

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:48pm:
So, bullies need to be held to account, but also supported in developing their self esteem.



again, you are yet to define a bully. So far I've yet to see any sort of general consensus . I have a low tolerance for people that make stupid disjointed comments, especially if they are unrelated to the topic being discussed, and I'll call people on it if I think I need to. Some may think I am bullying them for doing so. I disagree.
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Reply #37 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm
 
Phemanderac wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:53pm:
Muttley wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:18am:
How can a f##king taxi driver think he's in any way superior?


How can anyone?

mariacostel wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:24am:
Taxi driver would have to be pretty much bottom of the pile of jobs surely?


Wow - that's an incredibly dumb thing to say just for the sake of being nasty...

Let's face it, "bottom of the pile of jobs" is subjective and also dependent on a whole range of factors. For some, being an accountant (for example) or a solicitor, or a real estate agent might be at the "bottom"...

Let's face it, one would only make a comment like that to be personally abusive...

Further, what are you going to do if all those people with the jobs at the "bottom" of the pile stop doing them?


I will stay with taxi driver being the bottom of the pile. It doesn't have to be offensive, but it doesn't stop it from being true.
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Reply #38 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:10pm
 
Free Speech...Free Speech...Free Speech.

Once we start censoring we are done. Smiley
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Reply #40 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:57pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm:
I will stay with taxi driver being the bottom of the pile. It doesn't have to be offensive, but it doesn't stop it from being true.


It's still just being nasty...

The thing stopping it from being true by the way is that it has no evidence to back it up and it is entirely subjective...

So, it's just being nasty...

That of course is absolutely your choice, but, it quite clearly says far more about you than the vast number of taxi drivers out there.
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Reply #41 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:59pm
 
This definition pretty much fits my view of what bullying is....

It is broadly copied from NSW Dept of Ed.

A definition of bullying
Bullying is repeated verbal, physical, social or psychological behaviour that is harmful and involves the misuse of power by an individual or group towards one or more persons.

Cyberbullying refers to bullying through information and communication technologies.

Bullying can involve humiliation, domination, intimidation, victimisation and all forms of harassment including that based on sex, race, disability, homosexuality or transgender. Bullying of any form or for any reason can have long-term effects on those involved including bystanders.

Bullying can happen anywhere: at school, travelling to and from school, in sporting teams, between neighbours or in the workplace.

Bullying behaviour can be:

verbal eg name calling, teasing, abuse, putdowns, sarcasm, insults, threats
physical eg hitting, punching, kicking, scratching, tripping, spitting
social eg ignoring, excluding, ostracising, alienating, making inappropriate gestures
psychological eg spreading rumours, dirty looks, hiding or damaging possessions, malicious SMS and email messages, inappropriate use of camera phones.

Conflict or fights between equals and single incidents are not defined as bullying. Bullying behaviour is not:

not getting along well
a situation of mutual conflict
single episodes of nastiness or random acts of aggression or intimidation.
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Reply #42 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 3:07pm
 
Phemanderac wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:59pm:
and involves the misuse of power by an individual or group towards one or more persons.


and there is where your definition falls flat in reference to this forum. Unless it's Aussies abuse you are commenting on

your own definition says

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:59pm:
Conflict or fights between equals and single incidents are not defined as bullying. Bullying behaviour is not:

not getting along well
a situation of mutual conflict
single episodes of nastiness or random acts of aggression or intimidation.

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Reply #43 - Oct 3rd, 2015 at 3:31pm
 
Phemanderac wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 1:59pm:
I will stay with taxi driver being the bottom of the pile. It doesn't have to be offensive, but it doesn't stop it from being true.


It's still just being nasty...

The thing stopping it from being true by the way is that it has no evidence to back it up and it is entirely subjective...

So, it's just being nasty...

That of course is absolutely your choice, but, it quite clearly says far more about you than the vast number of taxi drivers out there.


Of course it is subjective! What else could it be? And the taxi drivers are not exactly graduates from university. The vast majority dont even speak the language well (or at all).
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