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Reply #75 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:02pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Really? While there are a whole lot of rather nasty people who didnt like Abbott, the actual facts are that hi destroyed what was once a hugely popular labor government and got himself elected by a landslide. There is not a single definition of 'unelectable' that would include being elected by a landslide.

I get that you don't like Abbott, but the mere fact of being elected nullifies your claim.

but the mere fact of being elected nullifies your claim.

There is a real possibility that Shorten will nullify your claim in the same way.

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Reply #76 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:06pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:57pm:

The real reason is that you cannot prove a negative. It is intrinsically impossible to prove that someone is unelectable - even if they try.

that didn't stop you making this dumb comment

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable.

Exactly. Longie finally gets it.

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Reply #78 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 8:47am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:57pm:

The real reason is that you cannot prove a negative. It is intrinsically impossible to prove that someone is unelectable - even if they try.

that didn't stop you making this dumb comment

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable.

And to make your point you demonstrate your ignorance by quoting and out-of-context quote of the original. Do you possess any actual skills?

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Reply #79 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 9:17am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 8:47am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:57pm:

The real reason is that you cannot prove a negative. It is intrinsically impossible to prove that someone is unelectable - even if they try.

that didn't stop you making this dumb comment

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable.

And to make your point you demonstrate your ignorance by quoting and out-of-context quote of the original. Do you possess any actual skills?

No, I demonstrated your stupidity and hypocrisy ... feel free to add whatever context you like, if you can.

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Reply #80 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 9:19am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 8:47am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:57pm:

The real reason is that you cannot prove a negative. It is intrinsically impossible to prove that someone is unelectable - even if they try.

that didn't stop you making this dumb comment

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable.

And to make your point you demonstrate your ignorance by quoting and out-of-context quote of the original. Do you possess any actual skills?

Sometimes Maria long it is best to quit while you are behind.

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Reply #81 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 9:22am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 8:47am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:57pm:

The real reason is that you cannot prove a negative. It is intrinsically impossible to prove that someone is unelectable - even if they try.

that didn't stop you making this dumb comment

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable.

And to make your point you demonstrate your ignorance by quoting and out-of-context quote of the original. Do you possess any actual skills?

Sometimes Maria long it is best to quit while you are behind.

One needs a modicum of intellect to do that ..... Maria proves that beyond any doubt!

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Reply #82 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 10:45am

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Reply #83 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 11:04am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 9:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 8:47am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:57pm:

The real reason is that you cannot prove a negative. It is intrinsically impossible to prove that someone is unelectable - even if they try.

that didn't stop you making this dumb comment

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable.

And to make your point you demonstrate your ignorance by quoting and out-of-context quote of the original. Do you possess any actual skills?

No, I demonstrated your stupidity and hypocrisy ... feel free to add whatever context you like, if you can.

Try this from the same post:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

Most people beleive Shorten is unelectable.

Note the use of weasel words: "Most people beleive" (sic) ... but who are they?

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Reply #85 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:22pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:57pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:06pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

Very many people believe that Tony was unelectable, he certainly should have been, the ratio would have been significantly more so than we see of people saying it about Shorten.

Really? While there are a whole lot of rather nasty people who didnt like Abbott, the actual facts are that hi destroyed what was once a hugely popular labor government and got himself elected by a landslide. There is not a single definition of 'unelectable' that would include being elected by a landslide.

I get that you don't like Abbott, but the mere fact of being elected nullifies your claim.

Abbott was so incompetent that he got knifed two years in to his only term and is now sulking on the backbench. Of course, the Liberal loonies were singing his praises even after Turnbull was stepping over Abbott's twitching corpse, bloody knife in hand.

Well at least you are not claiming that Abbott was unelectable. I may disagree with you often, but generally you are not a dunce. Alevine on the other hand...

There really is no merit in asserting that Abbott or Shorten are unelectable if they are in Opposition. The reason? Oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them.

The real reason is that you cannot prove a negative. It is intrinsically impossible to prove that someone is unelectable - even if they try. All you can prove is that someone is ELECTABLE (eg Abbott).

-----------> scientific method now is it Cheesy

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #86 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:22pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:57pm:

The real reason is that you cannot prove a negative. It is intrinsically impossible to prove that someone is unelectable - even if they try.

that didn't stop you making this dumb comment

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable.

maria doesn't smoke meth : she drinks it Shocked

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Reply #87 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:25pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Abbott is clearly not going away. Maybe those Caesars knew how to ensure some stability, wot?

Nah, Abbott is gone: no one wants him! He was like Brendon Nelson... just playing an interim part and being thanked for it but the understanding was always one chance and see you later!

You can't tell me I'm wrong btw Wink

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Reply #88 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:26pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 9:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 8:47am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:57pm:

The real reason is that you cannot prove a negative. It is intrinsically impossible to prove that someone is unelectable - even if they try.

that didn't stop you making this dumb comment

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable.

And to make your point you demonstrate your ignorance by quoting and out-of-context quote of the original. Do you possess any actual skills?

No, I demonstrated your stupidity and hypocrisy ... feel free to add whatever context you like, if you can.

Intelligence to maria is mixing your metho and not drinking it straight Cry

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Reply #89 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 1:13pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Abbott is clearly not going away. Maybe those Caesars knew how to ensure some stability, wot?

Nah, Abbott is gone: no one wants him! He was like Brendon Nelson... just playing an interim part and being thanked for it but the understanding was always one chance and see you later!

You can't tell me I'm wrong btw Wink

It was a shame about Nelson he was probably the only Liberal leader in 3 decades who had any potential to lead Australia.

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