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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #60 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:03pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:56pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

A revisionist I see. A simple Google will bring up all the true history on just how many people believed tony was unelectable (he should have been, given how dumb he is). But its never about the opposition leader and always about the government.

By your rather inventive definition the Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable. Any definition of 'unelectable' has got to include non-partisan opinions to be of any worth. And since absolutely every single one of those beliefs that Abbott was unelectable were PROVEN wrong, whay are you even bringing it up?

Most people beleive Shorten is unelectable. The only way - THE ONLY way - to disprove that is for him to be elected. just as Tony was.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #61 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

Very many people believe that Tony was unelectable, he certainly should have been, the ratio would have been significantly more so than we see of people saying it about Shorten.

Really? While there are a whole lot of rather nasty people who didnt like Abbott, the actual facts are that hi destroyed what was once a hugely popular labor government and got himself elected by a landslide. There is not a single definition of 'unelectable' that would include being elected by a landslide.

I get that you don't like Abbott, but the mere fact of being elected nullifies your claim.

The vast majority of Australia is nasty?

Labor destroyed itself with its instability. Tony had very little to do with it.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #62 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:17pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:56pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

A revisionist I see. A simple Google will bring up all the true history on just how many people believed tony was unelectable (he should have been, given how dumb he is). But its never about the opposition leader and always about the government.

By your rather inventive definition the Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable. Any definition of 'unelectable' has got to include non-partisan opinions to be of any worth. And since absolutely every single one of those beliefs that Abbott was unelectable were PROVEN wrong, whay are you even bringing it up?

Most people beleive Shorten is unelectable. The only way - THE ONLY way - to disprove that is for him to be elected. just as Tony was.

I see someone got a bit frenzied in their response. Labor under shorten hasn't been elected into government. By any definition that doesn't mean he is unelectable. He would be unelectable if even a government with tony pm won an election. But we all know the libs were too scared to put that to the test.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #63 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:22pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

Very many people believe that Tony was unelectable, he certainly should have been, the ratio would have been significantly more so than we see of people saying it about Shorten.

Really? While there are a whole lot of rather nasty people who didnt like Abbott, the actual facts are that hi destroyed what was once a hugely popular labor government and got himself elected by a landslide. There is not a single definition of 'unelectable' that would include being elected by a landslide.

I get that you don't like Abbott, but the mere fact of being elected nullifies your claim.

Abbott was so incompetent that he got knifed two years in to his only term and is now sulking on the backbench. Of course, the Liberal loonies were singing his praises even after Turnbull was stepping over Abbott's twitching corpse, bloody knife in hand.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #64 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:23pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

Very many people believe that Tony was unelectable, he certainly should have been, the ratio would have been significantly more so than we see of people saying it about Shorten.

Really? While there are a whole lot of rather nasty people who didnt like Abbott, the actual facts are that hi destroyed what was once a hugely popular labor government and got himself elected by a landslide. There is not a single definition of 'unelectable' that would include being elected by a landslide.

I get that you don't like Abbott, but the mere fact of being elected nullifies your claim.

The vast majority of Australia is nasty?

Labor destroyed itself with its instability. Tony had very little to do with it.

Ah, the logic of alevine. Tony is considered unelectable by the 'vast majority of australians' who then promptly elect him by a landslide. I do love the logic of the simpleton. It has something special that has to be seen to be believed. It is almost awe-inspiring to watch someone demonstrate how 1+1=apple and thing feel as if they have demonstrated a divine principle.

You are very 'special'.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #66 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:24pm

Bam wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

Very many people believe that Tony was unelectable, he certainly should have been, the ratio would have been significantly more so than we see of people saying it about Shorten.

Really? While there are a whole lot of rather nasty people who didnt like Abbott, the actual facts are that hi destroyed what was once a hugely popular labor government and got himself elected by a landslide. There is not a single definition of 'unelectable' that would include being elected by a landslide.

I get that you don't like Abbott, but the mere fact of being elected nullifies your claim.

Abbott was so incompetent that he got knifed two years in to his only term and is now sulking on the backbench. Of course, the Liberal loonies were singing his praises even after Turnbull was stepping over Abbott's twitching corpse, bloody knife in hand.

Well at least you are not claiming that Abbott was unelectable. I may disagree with you often, but generally you are not a dunce. Alevine on the other hand...

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #67 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm

Bam wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:23pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

Shorten is PROVEN to be unelectable.

Proven? Rubbish. How many elections has Shorten contested as leader? Zero.

Ah selective quoting... Remove the context to make it mean the opposite of what was actually said. I was using ALEVINE's definition of unelectable which is apparently 3 people with an opinion.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #68 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:30pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:23pm: