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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: 10 years of Turnbull Reply #45 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:57am bogarde73 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:53am: I rest my case your Honour. That was just a talk fest. His government hasn't actually implemented anything.
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Reply #47 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:59am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:37am:

Besides this maintenance of policies I think is sensible anyway given how long we've actually had Turnbull as PM.

He's only been in the job for 2 weeks. Do we want him instantly scrapping every single policy. Not all Tony Abbott policies were that bad. Instead careful consideration, consultation and replacement of policies should be the goal.

He has already made statements that he is keeping the policies in many high profile areas, it was the deal he done with his supporters to get the job.

The same people who turfed him out as opposition leader because of his policies have made him PM and they made sure that he was going to keep their policies in place.

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Reply #48 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 12:04pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:57am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:52am:

It followed the first direct ACTU-Coalition discussions since the 2013 election.

and that there is as fine an example of why Abbott was such a failure, as you're ever likely to get.

It's probably been a lot longer than this. I doubt that Abbott talked to the ACTU even once since he knifed Turnbull in 2009.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: 10 years of Turnbull Reply #49 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 3:45pm Bam wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:57am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:53am: I rest my case your Honour. That was just a talk fest. His government hasn't actually implemented anything. What is it now, 2-3 weeks? I reckon he should be dismissed for failure to act don't you?
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Reply #50 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:21pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:57am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:53am:

I rest my case your Honour.

That was just a talk fest. His government hasn't actually implemented anything.

What is it now, 2-3 weeks? I reckon he should be dismissed for failure to act don't you?

If he fails to act? Yes, definitely. No rush though, there's plenty of time until the next election.

How long has he got to act? Seven months and one week: the time it takes to bring down the next Budget.

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Reply #51 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 26948 Gender:	Re: 10 years of Turnbull Reply #52 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:31pm bogarde73 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:43pm: How's that make you feel? Mr Consensus will gather the centre around him and stay the distance. Not something we're used to now but I can see it happening. Enjoy. After the last federal election, I predicted Labor would be in Opposition for a long time. I've been vindicated.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: 10 years of Turnbull Reply #53 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:43pm You've seen a coffee percolator working AP. That's whats happening now. The realisation is drip dripping through to the poor dunderheaded left that they've been done over like the maid in the pantry cupboard and they won't see a chance at power this side of 2025.
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Reply #54 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

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Reply #55 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:31pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

How's that make you feel?
Mr Consensus will gather the centre around him and stay the distance.
Not something we're used to now but I can see it happening.

Enjoy.

After the last federal election, I predicted Labor would be in Opposition for a long time. I've been vindicated.

you said Abbott at least two terms and then Morriscum ... you were wrong on all counts Cheesy

and how have you been vindicated? so far the libs have yet to reach the end of their first term. Tongue

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Reply #56 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

Very many people believe that Tony was unelectable, he certainly should have been, the ratio would have been significantly more so than we see of people saying it about Shorten.

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Reply #57 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:54pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:31pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

How's that make you feel?
Mr Consensus will gather the centre around him and stay the distance.
Not something we're used to now but I can see it happening.

Enjoy.

After the last federal election, I predicted Labor would be in Opposition for a long time. I've been vindicated.

you said Abbott at least two terms and then Morriscum ... you were wrong on all counts Cheesy

and how have you been vindicated? so far the libs have yet to reach the end of their first term. Tongue

Its called flexible vindication.

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Reply #58 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:56pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

A revisionist I see. A simple Google will bring up all the true history on just how many people believed tony was unelectable (he should have been, given how dumb he is). But its never about the opposition leader and always about the government.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #59 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 6:01pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

For someone who claims to be a party member you should know what people were saying about your party's leader in 2010 and 2013. Unelectable Tony! I think we've all been proven that there is no such thing as unelectable, and in the end it'll boil down to government performance. It Malcolm Turnbull continues Tony's cheap politics and crap policies that disproportionately impact the poorer in the community, then we can expect he will be punished. If however turnbull recaptures the centre then he'll be elected with ease.

And already we are seeing turnbull steer away from tony cheap politics and crap policies. Fantastic!

That is really quite a silly thing to say. What people were saying - despite your wish to say otherwise - is that Abbott was extremely electable as proven by a landslide win reducing labor to is lowest primary vote ever and coming 3 years after the narrowest of losses in an election that Labor should have won by a wide margin.

Shorten on the other hand is about as unelectable as they come. He is behind in the polls and disliked by pretty much everyone. He has the personality of a slug and the demeanour to match it. Abbott was never a great public speaker but he sounded like CHurchill compared to Shorten.

NOBODY in the party was saying that Abbott was unelectable. From mid 2009 it was very obvious that Tony was eating Labor alive as he continued to do until 2013.

Very many people believe that Tony was unelectable, he certainly should have been, the ratio would have been significantly more so than we see of people saying it about Shorten.

Really? While there are a whole lot of rather nasty people who didnt like Abbott, the actual facts are that hi destroyed what was once a hugely popular labor government and got himself elected by a landslide. There is not a single definition of 'unelectable' that would include being elected by a landslide.

I get that you don't like Abbott, but the mere fact of being elected nullifies your claim.

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