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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Turnbull ~ Direct Action May Not Work Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:53am Turnbull on RN just stated that if D.A doesn't work then the government will respond. Why wait. Accept the science ... a market mechanism was working before the Liberals scrapped it. Bring it back and stop risking everyone's financial security.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49230 Gender:	Re: Turnbull ~ Direct Action May Not Work Reply #1 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:54am Apply the same logic to the NBN. . .12:1 is all FTTN will give, at horrendous expense.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Turnbull ~ Direct Action May Not Work Reply #2 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:58am ____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:53am: Why wait. Accept the science ... a market mechanism was working before the Liberals scrapped it Where's the science in that? That's politics. .....then again the whole Ape Descendants perpetrating global warming scam is political anyway....
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Turnbull ~ Direct Action May Not Work Reply #3 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:59am Paying big polluters to pollute , what could possibly go wrong
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Reply #4 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:05am

Swagman wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:58am:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:53am:

Why wait. Accept the science ... a market mechanism was working before the Liberals scrapped it

Where's the science in that? That's politics.

.....then again the whole Ape Descendants perpetrating global warming scam is political anyway.... Cheesy

Environment Minister Greg Hunt has quietly published data, just two days before Christmas, showing the second year of operation of Australia's carbon price was more successful at reducing emissions than the first.

New data from Australia's National Greenhouse Gas Inventory show emissions declined across Australia by 1.4 per cent over the 12 months to June.

That compares to a decline in emissions of 0.8 per cent for the previous 12 months.

The carbon price was introduced by the Gillard government and began operation on July 1, 2012. It ended on July 1, this year after the Abbott government fulfilled an election pledge by abolishing it.

The new data, published on Tuesday, record emissions produced during the final year of operation of the carbon price, from June 2013 to June 2014.

www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/new-data-shows-record-fall-in-carbon-e...

A market mechanism works ... and Turnbull is risking everyone's financial security just to keep the loonies in his party on side.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59987 Here Gender:	Re: Turnbull ~ Direct Action May Not Work Reply #5 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:06am He has spent 7 years supporting DA, maybe it is a bit late to be honest now ?
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Reply #6 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:13am

Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:59am:

Paying big polluters to pollute , what could possibly go wrong Roll Eyes

...well the whole anti-mining anti-industry political campaign of the Left is certainly being felt these days with mine workers being massively unemployed and the steel industry collapsing...... Sad

How do you feel Comrades? Happy I guess as that was your objective in the first place.

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Reply #7 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:21am

Swagman wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:13am:

Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:59am:

Paying big polluters to pollute , what could possibly go wrong Roll Eyes

...well the whole anti-mining anti-industry political campaign of the Left is certainly being felt these days with mine workers being massively unemployed and the steel industry collapsing...... Sad

How do you feel Comrades? Happy I guess as that was your objective in the first place.

Letters written to Chinese newspaper editors worked

Woo Hoo!

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Reply #8 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:22am

Swagman wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:13am:

Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:59am:

Paying big polluters to pollute , what could possibly go wrong Roll Eyes

...well the whole anti-mining anti-industry political campaign of the Left is certainly being felt these days with mine workers being massively unemployed and the steel industry collapsing...... Sad

How do you feel Comrades? Happy I guess as that was your objective in the first place.

Current problems in mining seem to relate to demand ? Nothing to do with imagined anti-mining, anti-industry sentiment.

Asking polluters to do the right thing is hardly unreasonable or an indication of being against the industries involved.

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Reply #9 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:33am

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:53am:

Turnbull on RN just stated that if D.A doesn't work then the government will respond.

Why wait. Accept the science ... a market mechanism was working before the Liberals scrapped it.

Bring it back and stop risking everyone's financial security.

You know very well why he is waiting. Because he has to do so. I expect he will leave DA in the corner until everyone forgets about it. If he wins the next election, he will have more scope to change policies.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26837 Gender:	Re: Turnbull ~ Direct Action May Not Work Reply #10 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:35am Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:59am: Paying big polluters to pollute , what could possibly go wrong Wrong. They're paid to invest in cleaner and more environmentally friendly technologies.
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Reply #11 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:37am

Kytro wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:33am:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:53am:

Turnbull on RN just stated that if D.A doesn't work then the government will respond.

Why wait. Accept the science ... a market mechanism was working before the Liberals scrapped it.

Bring it back and stop risking everyone's financial security.

You know very well why he is waiting. Because he has to do so. I expect he will leave DA in the corner until everyone forgets about it. If he wins the next election, he will have more scope to change policies.

He will likely be assassinated in his first term if Libs get back into the government. The conservatives still control the numbers and Turnbull is a trojan horse with them all hiding inside. It's their path of saving their seats.

There is no way conservatives will accept progressive policies ... no way, and anyone who thinks the Libs have changed are extremely gullible.

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Reply #12 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:41am

Kytro wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:33am:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:53am:

Turnbull on RN just stated that if D.A doesn't work then the government will respond.

Why wait. Accept the science ... a market mechanism was working before the Liberals scrapped it.

Bring it back and stop risking everyone's financial security.

You know very well why he is waiting. Because he has to do so. I expect he will leave DA in the corner until everyone forgets about it. If he wins the next election, he will have more scope to change policies.

No , he does not have to do so. He has gotten rid of the dinosaur Abbott and now he must man up against the loonies for the sake of the country. If he does not he will go down in history as the disaster following the disaster!

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Reply #13 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:52am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:35am:

Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 7:59am:

Paying big polluters to pollute , what could possibly go wrong Roll Eyes

Wrong. They're paid to invest in cleaner and more environmentally friendly technologies.

The people paid were in cases paid for what they were doing anyway.

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Most of the interest was from people who want to plant or protect native trees that soak up carbon dioxide, and companies running landfill sites promising to cut emissions from decomposing rubbish. Money will also go to piggery owners and projects to store carbon in soil. Coal-fired power plants and other industrial big polluters have not bid, at least not at this stage. They don't have to – they can keep emitting without penalty.

All up, contracts were signed for 144 projects that Mr Hunt says will cut Australia's emissions by 47 million tonnes. The projects in this first round will cost taxpayers $660 million.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/has-greg-hunts-direct-action-scheme-fixed-climate-change-policy-in-australia-20150427-1muorr.html#ixzz3nFmkw1en
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All up, contracts were signed for 144 projects that Mr Hunt says will cut Australia's emissions by 47 million tonnes. The projects in this first round will cost taxpayers $660 million.

This is without doing anything to address the pollution at its source.

Coal-fired power plants and other industrial big polluters have not bid, at least not at this stage. They don't have to – they can keep emitting without penalty.

Here we go - a policy to spend $4 Billion and fix nothing.

Wrong. They're paid to invest in cleaner and more environmentally friendly technologies

Looks like they are not doing it ?

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Turnbull ~ Direct Action May Not Work Reply #14 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:59am Direct Action won't work because pre-existing projects were not barred. Out of the 144 projects funded by the ERF, 107 were pre-existing. The ERF ended up paying $66 per tonne for new abatement, making it one of the most expensive carbon prices in the world. Fail.
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