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Reply #45 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:31pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

2001–7 was much more a real estate boom. Increase the mortgage, spend the money, house values increased, borrow and spend some more. The more onic Howard & Costello ploughed the boom time revenue back into the boom, building the tax cuts and wealthfare into the Budget. Came the GFC, housing boom bust, household sector highly indebted, credit card and mortgage both.

Labor protected the economy from recession, under Gillard were reducing the wealthfare, libs undid some of those moves and tried to make the poor, the old, the sick and students make up the deficit caused by the now–unaffordable tax cuts and wealthfare. Now they want to increase the GST. Bet those on lower incomes once again do not get enough compensation and demand will drop a bit more, recession get a bit deeper!

I would struggle to find a less credible commentator than you. What you write is almost entirely 100% fiction all the time.

What you mean is, what I write is the truth and you can’t refute it, hell, you can hardly comprehend it.

You may not have noticed it, but when you post your drivel the only responses you get are mocking ones. Even those on your side of the ideological fence have the sense to ignore you.

No, nearly everybody laughs at you. Re what I said about the 2001–7 boom—have a look at debt levels in those boom years. Why do you think confidence is low and fragile? Debt levels. People are paying of debt as fast as they can, JohnSmith (the property manager one) talking about people being three years ahead on repayments. Re confidence, Morgan confidence survey showed:

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ANZ-Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence falls to 110.6 (down 3.9pts) after Turnbull 'bounce'

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6470-anz-roy-morgan-consumer-confidence-septem...

I get the Roy Morgan emails along with ZDNet, ITNews, ITWire etc.

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Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay
Reply #46 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:00am

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

If climate change is a con then why is almost every Government in the world spending billions of dollars to prevent it....Surely they are not as stupid as some people look when they sprout bullshit from the fossil fuel industry???

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/25/fossil-fuel-firms-are-still-b...

http://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/fight-misinformation/climate-deception-doss...

http://climatejustice.org.au/executives-facing-climate-denial-related-claims-cou...

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/12/15/foxleaks-fox-boss-ordered-staff-to-cast-...

Huh

You think consensus by governments of all people is proof of anything?? Consensus of governments lead an attack on Iraq for WMDs. And there are plenty more examples of where governments the world over have agreed on something that was wrong.

As for some of the disgraceful links above, would you feel happy if we were to charge and jail climate scientists for their role in perpetrating the Climate Con? If you want it one way then you need to have it the other way as well.

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Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay
Reply #47 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:03am

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

I've tried the evidence route before. It doesnt work.

Not as Mariacostal, dear, shurely. I think you're mixing yourself up with Longy.

Now he was a stickler for the facts.

As an example when discussing the hockey stick and claiming that it was completely repudiated I produced quotes from multiple scientists on both sides of the argument and even included the IPCC. Result? COMPLETELY IGNORED. And then in another thread they came up with the same garbage. So I produced the same evidence with the same result - complete ignored.

And you wonder why showing evidence is pointless in a place like this?

Did you, dear?

Where?

Before the sex change maybe???

Wink

We had a discussion on the Hockey Stick. Well we did until I produced reams of evidence from alarmists and sceptics alike to refute the Stick. And then all was silent.... all the Hysterics fled to other threads to repeat the some garbage.

I would start a thread on the Hockey Stick but what is the point? The hysterics - when confronted with irrefutable proof - either run away and hide of simply say that 1+1=apple as they so often do.

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Reply #48 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:05am

Consensus is due to each country’s scientists telling their govt the same thing. The globe is warming, sea levels are rising, extreme events get more extreme.

Here bushfires get more extreme and bigger each year. Because of AGW the season for fuel reduction burns gets shorter and shorter. We have had extreme bush fires as early as August.

Govts have to act on the science.

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Reply #49 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:40am

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

Consensus is due to each country’s scientists telling their govt the same thing. The globe is warming, sea levels are rising, extreme events get more extreme.

Here bushfires get more extreme and bigger each year. Because of AGW the season for fuel reduction burns gets shorter and shorter. We have had extreme bush fires as early as August.

Govts have to act on the science.

Except that it is all lies. Consensus doesn't even exist.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49044 Gender:	Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay Reply #50 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:42am We haven’t had major bush fires as early as August in the last few years? Including one started by a fuel reduction burn?
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Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay
Reply #51 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:48am

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:42am:

We haven’t had major bush fires as early as August in the last few years? Including one started by a fuel reduction burn?

Just in case you forget, this is Australia, the country where we can have flooding in Victoria the same week as bushfires in WA.

We've always had bushfires and their frequency has not increased but actually DECREASED slightly.

Stop making stuff up.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49044 Gender:	Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay Reply #52 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:49am I said bushfire season starts earlier and the fires are bigger and more destructive. Experience backs that.
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay Reply #53 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:12am Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:49am: I said bushfire season starts earlier and the fires are bigger and more destructive. Experience backs that. Facts however, say the opposite.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49044 Gender:	Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay Reply #54 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:53am So we didn’t have major bushfires as early as August recently? Facts say otherwise.
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