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Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay
Reply #30 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 2:45pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.

My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax.

The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion.

The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them.
That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar.

The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992.

Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this:
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Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles.

Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate.

What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow?

What a load of hysterical nonsense. And of course as usual you offer not a shred of supporting evidence.

Given your huge problem with credibility, I'll not worry about your frothy-mouthed rantings on this topic, thanks. I have better things to do than pander to trolls.

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mariacostel

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Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay
Reply #31 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.

My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax.

The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion.

The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them.
That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar.

The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992.

Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this:
Quote:

Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles.

Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate.

I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground.

The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries.

Alas, Baron, China wants to stop our coal, or so they say. They also want to stop our iron ore. The recent mining boom was the direct result of China's stimulus program during the GFC.

China is changing track. It's moving to a lower economic growth model. The good old days are over.

The mining boom started, many, many years before the GFC. Get it right.

Separate booms, dear. The GFC boom, I think, was the 3rd or 4th since large-scale iron ore mining took off in Australia.

The 2nd boom had already tapered off by the time Labor came to power in 2007. The GFC mining-boom was the sole result of the Chinese building boom - the product of Beijing's stimulus package.

China is now seriously revising its growth model. China is now focusing on domestic growth and the transition to a low-carbon economy (by 2030).

The days of the booms in iron ore prices are over.

So now you want to re-define 'the mining boom'? Perhaps you should stick to the same definitions and facts that the rest of the world uses.

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Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay
Reply #32 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:51pm

Bam wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.

My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax.

The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion.

The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them.
That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar.

The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992.

Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this:
Quote:

Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles.

Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate.

What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow?

What a load of hysterical nonsense. And of course as usual you offer not a shred of supporting evidence.

Given your huge problem with credibility, I'll not worry about your frothy-mouthed rantings on this topic, thanks. I have better things to do than pander to trolls.

I've tried the evidence route before. It doesnt work. Any evidence not to the liking of the Climate Crowd is simply ignored. Try and get a climate hysteric to accept that the hockey stick is debunked, mocked and rejected by climate scientists the world over. Won't happen. Show evidence? LITERALLY IGNORED.

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Re: Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay
Reply #33 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:55pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:49pm: