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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36168 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #75 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:53pm ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:49pm: I suspected as much, don't have a cry if you are ignored then. But you are not ignoring me. You are simply avoiding the question. Is it painful to state your prejudices in simple terms? Does it make you look .. well .. stupid?
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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #76 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:55pm Do you have anything of substance to contribute other than a troll because if you do bombs away. If not buggeroff.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36168 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #77 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:01am ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:55pm: Do you have anything of substance to contribute other than a troll because if you do bombs away. If not buggeroff. How about you answering my question. That should be interesting.
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Reply #78 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:10am

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:01am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

Do you have anything of substance to contribute other than a troll because if you do bombs away. If not buggeroff.

How about you answering my question. That should be interesting.

You knew what I meant.

If you want to play full metal retard do it on some other persons time not mine. If you want to discuss something thread related instead of childish games by all means fire away.

Until then don't be upset if you are ignored.

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Reply #79 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:12am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Tsk, tsk, no attribution? Naughty, naughty, you should always give your sources. Roll Eyes

My point was made. Maybe you should google more often. You may learn something.

Having trouble understanding the content I take it.

Being an ex-Catholic I can believe any Tommy-rot you care to posit... Roll Eyes

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Reply #80 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:14am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:12am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Tsk, tsk, no attribution? Naughty, naughty, you should always give your sources. Roll Eyes

My point was made. Maybe you should google more often. You may learn something.

Having trouble understanding the content I take it.

Being an ex-Catholic I can believe any Tommy-rot you care to posit... Roll Eyes

But of course you were ex catholic just like gandalf is not arab and was a convert to islam.

Pull Ease, give me something more Brain.

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Reply #81 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:15am

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

The question is about trusting you, Gandy. Don't avoid it.

Taqiyya??

Can we ever trust a moslem, or trust a moslem, to be a 'friend' ?

Yes.

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Reply #82 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:18am

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:10am:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:01am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

Do you have anything of substance to contribute other than a troll because if you do bombs away. If not buggeroff.

How about you answering my question. That should be interesting.

You knew what I meant.

If you want to play full metal retard do it on some other persons time not mine. If you want to discuss something thread related instead of childish games by all means fire away.

Until then don't be upset if you are ignored.

You mean all Muslims are baaaad.

Just like you mean all Aboriginals are baaad.

Here's a head's up. You are wrong.

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Reply #83 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:20am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

The question is about trusting you, Gandy. Don't avoid it.

Taqiyya??

Can we ever trust a moslem, or trust a moslem, to be a 'friend' ?

Yes.

Why when the Qur'an says not to trust unbelievers and lie to them and attack them ?

Does not belief in these violent teachings make one a muslim ?

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Reply #84 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:22am

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:18am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:10am:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:01am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

Do you have anything of substance to contribute other than a troll because if you do bombs away. If not buggeroff.

How about you answering my question. That should be interesting.

You knew what I meant.

If you want to play full metal retard do it on some other persons time not mine. If you want to discuss something thread related instead of childish games by all means fire away.

Until then don't be upset if you are ignored.

You mean all Muslims are baaaad.

Just like you mean all Aboriginals are baaad.

Here's a head's up. You are wrong.

Why the need to put words in my mouth are you really that hard up. For starters we are in the Islamic section not the aboriginal one.

Secondly it is you who are wrong as you know nothing about islam and are just here to troll prove me wrong.

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Reply #85 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:26am

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:20am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

The question is about trusting you, Gandy. Don't avoid it.

Taqiyya??

Can we ever trust a moslem, or trust a moslem, to be a 'friend' ?

Yes.

Why when the Qur'an says not to trust unbelievers and lie to them and attack them ?

All depends on context. If it is wartime, almost anything is allowed. If it is peacetime then those tactics are not allowed... Roll Eyes

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Does not belief in these violent teachings make one a muslim ?

Nope.

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Reply #86 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:30am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:20am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:15am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

The question is about trusting you, Gandy. Don't avoid it.

Taqiyya??

Can we ever trust a moslem, or trust a moslem, to be a 'friend' ?

Yes.

Why when the Qur'an says not to trust unbelievers and lie to them and attack them ?

All depends on context. If it is wartime, almost anything is allowed. If it is peacetime then those tactics are not allowed... Roll Eyes

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Does not belief in these violent teachings make one a muslim ?

Nope.

So to be a muslim one does NOT have to believe the whole Qur'an, just the parts they want.

Fair enough, so they are not muslims then.

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Reply #87 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:16am

I do not believe everything in bible (old or new testament)

However I can choose to live by some of it's rules.

Christianity has it's nutters (or those that take an extreme position on what is written and do not take into account the time it was written and the social order or threats of the time)

In Islam the same applies.

Nutters choose to take quotes to there extreme position or out of context.

Christians had the inquisition years and extreme dogma for many centuries after the fall of the Roman empire (we called them the Dark Ages)

What we have now is an extremist sect using the Quran to further there political objectives. That is to take over the world starting with being recognized as a state as the start. Islam believes in a devil similar to the Christian devil and also warns that the devil will come as a false god. These guys (ISIS in particular) could not be more devil if the devil did plan it.

They do not represent the majority view however there is a lot of fear in Islamic communities so few will speak out publically. Most Muslims I meet are decent people.

Also Arab culture has been brought into the mix as Islamic.

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Reply #88 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:22am

Super Nova wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:16am:

I do not believe everything in bible (old or new testament)

However I can choose to live by some of it's rules.

Christianity has it's nutters (or those that take an extreme position on what is written and do not take into account the time it was written and the social order or threats of the time)

In Islam the same applies.

Nutters choose to take quotes to there extreme position or out of context.

Christians had the inquisition years and extreme dogma for many centuries after the fall of the Roman empire (we called them the Dark Ages)

What we have now is an extremist sect using the Quran to further there political objectives. That is to take over the world starting with being recognized as a state as the start. Islam believes in a devil similar to the Christian devil and also warns that the devil will come as a false god. These guys (ISIS in particular) could not be more devil if the devil did plan it.

They do not represent the majority view however there is a lot of fear in Islamic communities so few will speak out publically. Most Muslims I meet are decent people.

Also Arab culture has been brought into the mix as Islamic.

Incorrect, in context in Islam the extremists are supported by the text in context. Not so in the bible in context. So the crusades were touted as being done by Christianity but clearly was not according to the Christian scriptures. Islam on the other hand is supported by the Qua'ran.

Islam is at the opposite end of the scale compared to Christianity it has nothing to do with it. Comparison is ludicrous.

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Reply #89 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 3:41am

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:22am:

Super Nova wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:16am:

I do not believe everything in bible (old or new testament)

However I can choose to live by some of it's rules.

Christianity has it's nutters (or those that take an extreme position on what is written and do not take into account the time it was written and the social order or threats of the time)

In Islam the same applies.

Nutters choose to take quotes to there extreme position or out of context.

Christians had the inquisition years and extreme dogma for many centuries after the fall of the Roman empire (we called them the Dark Ages)

What we have now is an extremist sect using the Quran to further there political objectives. That is to take over the world starting with being recognized as a state as the start. Islam believes in a devil similar to the Christian devil and also warns that the devil will come as a false god. These guys (ISIS in particular) could not be more devil if the devil did plan it.

They do not represent the majority view however there is a lot of fear in Islamic communities so few will speak out publically. Most Muslims I meet are decent people.

Also Arab culture has been brought into the mix as Islamic.

Incorrect, in context in Islam the extremists are supported by the text in context. Not so in the bible in context. So the crusades were touted as being done by Christianity but clearly was not according to the Christian scriptures. Islam on the other hand is supported by the Qua'ran.

Islam is at the opposite end of the scale compared to Christianity it has nothing to do with it. Comparison is ludicrous.

Have you read every word in the Quran. I bet not.

It recognises the old testament and Abraham + moses plus the 10 commandments. References in the Quran to killing infidels is located in a section dealing with the trouble of the times. Taken out of historical context they have. Islam was tolerant off all religions under it's domain until recently. Jews, Christians ...etc were allowed to worship as they saw fit in their societies.

I do not defend what is going on, however I challenge this behaviour we see today is written and therefore mandated in the Quran. This is just not the case.

For example, traditional Muslim teaching stresses those passages in the Koran which affirm the Christian Gospel and the Hebrew Torah as valid revelations of God and paths to salvation. But there is a harsher, Saudi-influenced view which insists that since Muhammad delivered the final revelation, Christianity and Judaism have lost their power to save.

Extract from here: http://www.economist.com/node/10311317

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