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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Message To Productivity Commission Reply #120 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:29pm Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:09pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:44pm: Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:42pm: ....yes which adds to unemployment so you keep claiming ... without the slightest shred of supporting evidence. See reply #110
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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Message To Productivity Commission Reply #121 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:00pm Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:29pm: See reply #110 reply 110 has zero evidence substantiating anything at all. ...
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Reply #122 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:45pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

....yes which adds to unemployment

so you keep claiming

... without the slightest shred of supporting evidence.

See reply #110

That's not supporting evidence, that's just another post of yours.

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Reply #123 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 6:36am

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

....yes which adds to unemployment

so you keep claiming

... without the slightest shred of supporting evidence.

See reply #110

Reply 110 is just another version of your unsupported opinion ?

Woops it seems that everyone else already called you on this error.

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Reply #124 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 6:39am

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

The simple point is that at double time on a Sunday there is 8 hours of work being paid per worker for producing nothing
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what they produce is not their problem, that's the bosses. You pay them for their time. You want them on Sunday, pay the penalties.

...it becomes their problem when the business closes down because it's uncompetitive and they become unemployed and the union starts whinging at the govt for tax payer assistance

A common theme these days.....

businesses don't close down because they don't want to pay penalty rates on Sunday, they simply close on Sundays Cheesy

Business do not open on Sundays if they can not make a successful business case for doing so, if penalty rates are the deciding factor then they have no case anyway and would still remain shut.

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Reply #125 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 10:23am

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

....yes which adds to unemployment

so you keep claiming

... without the slightest shred of supporting evidence.

See reply #110

That's not supporting evidence, that's just another post of yours.

It's simple quantitative evidence.

I thought even you comrades would be able to interpret it? Guess my guesstimate of your intelligence needs to be amended? Grin

Feel free to refute it, with something of substance? Invent a new form of mathematics perhaps.... Grin

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Reply #126 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 10:58am

Swagman wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

....yes which adds to unemployment

so you keep claiming

... without the slightest shred of supporting evidence.

See reply #110

That's not supporting evidence, that's just another post of yours.

It's simple quantitative evidence.

I thought even you comrades would be able to interpret it? Guess my guesstimate of your intelligence needs to be amended? Grin

Feel free to refute it, with something of substance? Invent a new form of mathematics perhaps.... Grin

So you think if you repeat it enough, it becomes evidence? Grin

I only need to refute what you've proven. SO far you've proven nothing so I've nothing to refute.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Message To Productivity Commission Reply #127 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 12:01pm Here's a clue for you Johnny. 1 + 1 = ?
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Re: Message To Productivity Commission
Reply #128 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:28am

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

....yes which adds to unemployment

so you keep claiming

... without the slightest shred of supporting evidence.

See reply #110

That's not supporting evidence, that's just another post of yours.

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Reply #129 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:06pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

....yes which adds to unemployment

so you keep claiming

... without the slightest shred of supporting evidence.

See reply #110

That's not supporting evidence, that's just another post of yours.

It's simple quantitative evidence.

I thought even you comrades would be able to interpret it? Guess my guesstimate of your intelligence needs to be amended? Grin

Feel free to refute it, with something of substance? Invent a new form of mathematics perhaps.... Grin

There is nothing to refute. You've just made up crap, and despite having several opportunities to provide supporting evidence you have refused. If there was independent evidence you would have provided it by now. Case closed.

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Reply #130 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 2:26pm

Bam wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

There is nothing to refute.

Refute this.....

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

If 5 people are employed on Sunday at double time then that is 40 hours being paid for doing nothing. 40 hours is one full time job.

If there is an unemployed person available to fill that 40 hours, then they should fill it.

and this.....

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

The other simple point is that for the same labour cost as the penalty rate, the company gets 40 additional hours of production, and the community (tax-payer) doesn't have to pay unemployment benefits to the one previously unemployed person, and the community will now collect income tax from that previously unemployed person. Huh

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Reply #131 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 2:54pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

If 5 people are employed on Sunday at double time then that is 40 hours being paid for doing nothing. 40 hours is one full time job.

If there is an unemployed person available to fill that 40 hours, then they should fill it.

The hospitality industry is where we see most complaints being generated.

The general hospitality award does not pay double time for Sunday and only pays a miserable 125% for Saturdays.

Consider it refuted as you are clearly wrong.

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Reply #132 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 3:13pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

There is nothing to refute.

Refute this.....

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

If 5 people are employed on Sunday at double time then that is 40 hours being paid for doing nothing. 40 hours is one full time job.

If there is an unemployed person available to fill that 40 hours, then they should fill it.

and this.....

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

The other simple point is that for the same labour cost as the penalty rate, the company gets 40 additional hours of production, and the community (tax-payer) doesn't have to pay unemployment benefits to the one previously unemployed person, and the community will now collect income tax from that previously unemployed person. Huh

Even better idea! Do what 7-11 does, underpay staff and make staff pay back the extra money! Oh wait that is illegal. Let's do what Swag proposes instead - make it legal to do what 7-11 does now. They are the pioneers for Swag's great revolution.

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Reply #133 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 3:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

If 5 people are employed on Sunday at double time then that is 40 hours being paid for doing nothing. 40 hours is one full time job.

If there is an unemployed person available to fill that 40 hours, then they should fill it.

The hospitality industry is where we see most complaints being generated.

The general hospitality award does not pay double time for Sunday and only pays a miserable 125% for Saturdays.

Consider it refuted as you are clearly wrong.

Again you have refuted effall.

Any penalty rate amount > 100% is subject to the same concept, it just has a lesser impact than x2. At 125% every 32 people paid Sat penalty rates = 1 potential full time job foregone* @ normal time. Huh

*Assuming 1 Full Time job = 40 hrs & an 8 hr Sat worked.

My example is theoretical. Refute the theory, or is that too difficult?

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Reply #134 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 3:45pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

There is nothing to refute.

Refute this.....

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

If 5 people are employed on Sunday at double time then that is 40 hours being paid for doing nothing. 40 hours is one full time job.

If there is an unemployed person available to fill that 40 hours, then they should fill it.

That is entirely hypothetical and has no basis in reality.

Swagman wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

and this.....

Swagman wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

The other simple point is that for the same labour cost as the penalty rate, the company gets 40 additional hours of production, and the community (tax-payer) doesn't have to pay unemployment benefits to the one previously unemployed person, and the community will now collect income tax from that previously unemployed person. Huh

Again, that's purely hypothetical.

You have offered not one shed of real evidence, no links, no citations. Just vague mumblings on a totally fictitious scenario that you made up.

See? You posted crap.

Refuted.

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