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Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power?
Reply #30 - Sep 15^th, 2015 at 10:01am

Richdude wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 6:47am:

Richdude wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 1:19am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 11:02pm:

We need something like the Manhattan Project but
devoted to peace & infinite energy.

We need at least 10,000 scientists working around the clock
& $billions poured into it.

Whatever country which cracks the secrets of Thorium will rule this planet.

Your right Sir Bobby - well almost.
A thorium reactor ran for 5 years at Oak Ridge, Tn, 50 years ago. Our knowledge is much greater now - I assume.
Although ultimately over - unity generators that can tap the infinite and inexhaustible quantum/vacuum field is better.

Your knowledge of science is poor -

there is very little vacuum energy.

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Really? Evidence please.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #31 - Sep 15^th, 2015 at 10:08am Unforgiven wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 12:56am: We have to devise a means to make thorium attractive to house flippers. It can then ride the housing boom. Make kitchen tops out of thorium
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Marla Gold Member Online A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 15086 Colorado Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #32 - Sep 15^th, 2015 at 10:22am Can thorium produce 1.21 gigawatts of power for time travel?
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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #33 - Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:46am There is a whole universe of vacuum. There is also a renewable vacuum source in the minds of the Australian public.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34160 Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #34 - Sep 15^th, 2015 at 2:38pm No to nuclear. https://video-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xaf1/v/t42.1790-2/1295130_1020132498895...
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62391 Here Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #35 - Sep 15^th, 2015 at 3:05pm Think that they have looked at it, the answer was NO thanks.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62391 Here Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #36 - Sep 15^th, 2015 at 3:07pm Silly poll, the only answer is yes even if you don't think it a good idea you have to say yes to look at it before rejecting it, otherwise there is no reason for rejecting it.
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Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power?
Reply #37 - Sep 15^th, 2015 at 7:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 3:07pm:

Silly poll, the only answer is yes even if you don't think it a good idea you have to say yes to look at it before rejecting it, otherwise there is no reason for rejecting it.

Quite right.

I don't think enough money has been spent on it by anyone
I've spent months studying it it has to be the answer.
They put too much money into fusion instead
but you see how rich the Arabs are from selling energy?
We could sell Thorium energy & be 1000 times richer -
we're just too dumb or poorly led.
Thorium is so cheap that we could make fuel out of CO2 in the air & water -
sell synthetic petrol & aviation fuel !!!!
It's better than a gold mine &
we could put all the oil companies out of business.
Imagine if we could sell synthetic petrol cheaper than they can get it out of the ground?

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 122741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #38 - Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:37pm Will Turnbull pick up on Thorium?
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Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power?
Reply #39 - Sep 16^th, 2015 at 6:56am

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When thorium is ingested, 99.98% does not remain in the body. Out of the thorium that does remain in the body, three quarters of it accumulates in the skeleton. While absorption through the skin is possible, it is not a likely means of thorium exposure.[98] Powdered thorium metal is pyrophoric and often ignites spontaneously in air.[4]

Natural thorium decays very slowly compared to many other radioactive materials, and the alpha radiation emitted cannot penetrate human skin meaning owning and handling small amounts of thorium, such as a gas mantle, is considered safe.[98] Because 232Th is only mildly radioactive, but decays to more dangerous radionuclides such as radium and radon, emitting alpha and gamma radiation, a proper assessment of the radiological toxicity of 232Th must include the contribution of its daughters such as 228Ra.[99] Exposure to an aerosol of thorium, however, can lead to increased risk of cancers of the lung, pancreas, and blood, as lungs and other internal organs can be penetrated by alpha radiation.[98] Exposure to thorium internally leads to increased risk of liver diseases. Thorium is radioactive and produces a radioactive gas, radon-220, as one of its decay products. Secondary decay products of thorium include radium and actinium. Because of this, there are concerns about the safety of thorium mantles. Some nuclear safety agencies make recommendations about their use.[100] Production of gas mantles has led to some safety concerns during manufacture.

The chemical toxicity of thorium is low because thorium and its most common compounds (mostly the dioxide) are poorly soluble in water.[101] Nevertheless, some thorium compounds are chemically moderately toxic. People who work with thorium compounds are at a risk of dermatitis. It can take as much as thirty years after the ingestion of thorium for symptoms to manifest themselves.[96]

Another asbestosis in the making.

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Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power?
Reply #40 - Sep 16^th, 2015 at 6:59am

Gnads wrote on Sep 16^th, 2015 at 6:56am:

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When thorium is ingested, 99.98% does not remain in the body. Out of the thorium that does remain in the body, three quarters of it accumulates in the skeleton. While absorption through the skin is possible, it is not a likely means of thorium exposure.[98] Powdered thorium metal is pyrophoric and often ignites spontaneously in air.[4]

Natural thorium decays very slowly compared to many other radioactive materials, and the alpha radiation emitted cannot penetrate human skin meaning owning and handling small amounts of thorium, such as a gas mantle, is considered safe.[98] Because 232Th is only mildly radioactive, but decays to more dangerous radionuclides such as radium and radon, emitting alpha and gamma radiation, a proper assessment of the radiological toxicity of 232Th must include the contribution of its daughters such as 228Ra.[99] Exposure to an aerosol of thorium, however, can lead to increased risk of cancers of the lung, pancreas, and blood, as lungs and other internal organs can be penetrated by alpha radiation.[98] Exposure to thorium internally leads to increased risk of liver diseases. Thorium is radioactive and produces a radioactive gas, radon-220, as one of its decay products. Secondary decay products of thorium include radium and actinium. Because of this, there are concerns about the safety of thorium mantles. Some nuclear safety agencies make recommendations about their use.[100] Production of gas mantles has led to some safety concerns during manufacture.

The chemical toxicity of thorium is low because thorium and its most common compounds (mostly the dioxide) are poorly soluble in water.[101] Nevertheless, some thorium compounds are chemically moderately toxic. People who work with thorium compounds are at a risk of dermatitis. It can take as much as thirty years after the ingestion of thorium for symptoms to manifest themselves.[96]

Another asbestosis in the making.

The difference is that you don't end up with huge piles of waste when you use Thorium compared to Uranium.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #41 - Sep 16^th, 2015 at 7:16am Australia runs on coal, and is coal shed to the world. I believe this is a bigger obstacle to Thorium consideration than public opinion.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 122741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #42 - Sep 16^th, 2015 at 7:19am issuevoter wrote on Sep 16^th, 2015 at 7:16am: Australia runs on coal, and is coal shed to the world. I believe this is a bigger obstacle to Thorium consideration than public opinion. Thorium has the potential to make us all millionaires - much more than coal ever did.
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Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power?
Reply #43 - Sep 16^th, 2015 at 11:45am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 6:47am:

Richdude wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 1:19am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 11:02pm:

We need something like the Manhattan Project but
devoted to peace & infinite energy.

We need at least 10,000 scientists working around the clock
& $billions poured into it.

Whatever country which cracks the secrets of Thorium will rule this planet.

Your right Sir Bobby - well almost.
A thorium reactor ran for 5 years at Oak Ridge, Tn, 50 years ago. Our knowledge is much greater now - I assume.
Although ultimately over - unity generators that can tap the infinite and inexhaustible quantum/vacuum field is better.

Your knowledge of science is poor -

there is very little vacuum energy.

forgiven

namaste

How do you know what my science knowledge is?
And you have not answered my question.
All energy originates from the vacuum according to Kepler and earlier physicists and these theories are just re-emerging now.

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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: Should AUST consider thorium nuclear power? Reply #44 - Sep 16^th, 2015 at 12:21pm India is probably the leading research country because Thorium is the only fuel India has in abundance.
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Question: Should Australia consider thorium nuclear power?
Yes 10 (58.8%) No 7 (41.2%) Total votes: 17 « Created by: Swagman on: Sep 12^th, 2015 at 11:52am »